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[kruddler]

I think a point to make here is that we're a discussion forum.
If we cant be critical and discuss different aspects of the club there's not a lot of point to our existence.

I've found we're a pretty good cross section of members and supporters and over the years are pretty reflective of the general feelings of Carlton folk at any particular time.

My guess is at the moment we're running about 80% in favour of the current direction of the club.
But there are some who are starting to question some aspects of the rebuild.
It's pretty fair to say that continued lack of success will see that support gradually erode.

So the key is 'progress'.

The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
I find myself in both camps.
...but i think your 80% is perhaps a touch swayed by your personal opinion. I think its more. But no point squabbling over the figures.

[Professer E]

The odd win provides people with some sort of "confirmation " (I'm not sure of the right word)  that the rebuild is in track.

No wins and people start to lose faith.

[PaulP]

Daisy Thomas was on TFS last night and called Curnowfides dumb "and he wouldn't mind me saying that either". He said he has the nickname reindeer because he just gallops around without any idea on what he is going to do. He also said that if his teammates have no idea what he is going to do, how are the opposition supposed to work it out.

So, i guarantee you there are members who dislike his laissez faire approach.

I've got a mad Geelong member mate of mine who absolutely HATED Stevie J, basically for the same reason.

Which is the point, members will not agree. So should they be listened too?

Your contention that the club ALWAYS knows best in relation to supporters can be disproven.
Sydney Swans were looking for a coach. They had (unofficially?) signed Terry Wallace as coach, but due to HUGE supporter backlash and support for another candidate the club was forced to change their mind and go with the majority.
End result, Paul Roos gets signed and wins them their first flag in 73 years.
Club was wrong.

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, but none quite so poignant as that.

Club SHOULD know whats best, but to just assume they do could leave you following a club that has spent the better part of 2 decades rebuilding after it got itself into salary cap issues.

I'm not really sure how you can quote Daisy Thomas (who as far as I can tell is a player, not a supporter) and from that conclude that some supporters may think CC is laissez faire, and therefore not like it ?

The Swans supporter base voted for Roos out of love and loyalty, not football knowledge. Some coaches make it work at one club and not others. Wallace may have netted the Swans 2 or 3 flags, or 2 or 3 spoons. We will never know. The point is that the clubs spend a lot more time and effort in making these decisions, and make them with access to a wealth of knowledge that supporters can only dream of. Us humans are unpredictable buggers. Trying to select the right human for a particular task will never have a 100% success rate. But the right systems, methods and processes are critical. Otherwise we end up with the club equivalent of the car Homer Simpson designed.

[PaulP]

The odd win provides people with some sort of "confirmation " (I'm not sure of the right word)  that the rebuild is in track.

No wins and people start to lose faith.

Sometimes no wins give false despair, and sometimes a few wins give false hope - our 2004 regular season and 2005 pre seasons being exhibit A.

[Lods]

...but i think your 80% is perhaps a touch swayed by your personal opinion. I think its more. But no point squabbling over the figures.

Sure
Just a gut feeling...
Poll on TC of 120 odd members is running at 74% in favour of the current direction, 13% no idea, and 14% genuinely concerned or unhappy.
Who knows...I'd guess that the fringe supporter who doesn't belong to any social media groups and doesn't follow club announcements closely is wondering WTF is going on and when will it turn around.

[madbluboy]

Do a poll if we lose tomorrow. ;D

[Lods]

Do a poll if we lose tomorrow. ;D

;D

It won't be pretty
Probably better to do it now

[cookie2]

Whatever the result tomorrow we just have to put in a very very convincing performance! Maybe "line in the sand"  would be too strong a term but it's pretty damn close.

[kruddler]

I'm not really sure how you can quote Daisy Thomas (who as far as I can tell is a player, not a supporter) and from that conclude that some supporters may think CC is laissez faire, and therefore not like it ?

The Swans supporter base voted for Roos out of love and loyalty, not football knowledge. Some coaches make it work at one club and not others. Wallace may have netted the Swans 2 or 3 flags, or 2 or 3 spoons. We will never know. The point is that the clubs spend a lot more time and effort in making these decisions, and make them with access to a wealth of knowledge that supporters can only dream of. Us humans are unpredictable buggers. Trying to select the right human for a particular task will never have a 100% success rate. But the right systems, methods and processes are critical. Otherwise we end up with the club equivalent of the car Homer Simpson designed.

So we can't use Daisy Thomas' evaluation of a player because he isn't a supporter.

Yet, you go on to say that the club knows best.

No comment about the salary cap breaches i threw in there?
Pretty sure supporters would know its not the right way to run a club.

[Jack Burton]

Why would Thomas call C Curnow dumb and tell other clube he has no idea where to run? Just giving ammunition and information to opposition clubs. Can't see how this helps Carlton