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2018 Rd 6: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
(04-28-2018, 07:57 AM)Jack Burton link Wrote:Bulldogs supporters around us last night were genuine smarta$$es, rubbed our noses in how bad we were at every opportunity, and there were plenty of opportunities

They probably haven't forgotten our one time President calling them a tragedy, I don't think that I would if I was a Footscray supporter.
We honestly shouldn't expect much sympathy.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.
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(04-28-2018, 06:08 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Old mate David Rhys-Jones hit a few btw he eyes on the way out with this post on a FB page. Love the passion Ol Boy

I used to think this page was for true blue Carlton supporters, not a bunch of whingers. None of you have played a game or have any real knowledge of the sacrifices and dedication made by a lot of good people, but are self appointed experts. After the last couple of weeks of bitching and moaning, I am happily going to unfollow this thread. Look up the meaning of supporter some of you fickle keyboard warriors. I’m sure in a couple of years when we have 50+ games into these kids and start climbing up the ladder, you so called experts will be claiming some sort of justification of knowing it would happen. I will continue to SUPPORT the club, it’s players, coaches and administration, not take the easy way out and throwing insults and derogatory comments at good people who are doing there best to get this club it’s 17th premiership. See ya

Tells me that Rhys is also frustrated, but lashing out at supporters who are lashing out at the club, won't do much good for anyone.

Rhys loves the place, and we love him and what he did at the Mighty CFC and maybe he is privy to info that we aren't which helps him be patient.

But... supporters of this once mighty club have been shockingly betrayed over almost 20 years by poor management on all levels (well, except for marketing/PR), so forgive us if we're somewhat cynical.

Funny how we were sold a 'reset' to begin with and now it's a fully fledged rebuild... (which is necessary). Should have been: 1st two years - demolition. 3rd year onward - rebuild then reset then...

The media is talking us up and that we're on the right track - that worries me. I do remain optimistic that the 2nd half of the year will show everyone something to get legitimately excited about.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
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(04-28-2018, 08:00 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:You think so Lods? Maybe amongst the younger folk. I reckon deep in the bowels of PP and amongst the older, hard core supporters/benefactors, I reckon the attitude is as strong as ever hence the angst. Maybe its good in the sense that it drives the desire for success, bad if the shorted sightness kicks in and crape decisions get made due to impatience.

I've seen eight flags.
Countless finals appearances and successful seasons.
....and yes I'm angry.
I think of what a Barassi would have thought of some of our recent efforts and the punishment he would have dealt out in subsequent training sessions.

But this isn't 1968.
Its 2018
It's a different era.

I'm not sold on the rebuild for one simple reason....I don't see the results.
And unless you're Nostradamus...nobody does!
And I won't be convinced until I do.
But that's me and to each his own.

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A lot of our present problems are structural and we have struggled to with form and fitness to boot.

In the last draft our first thought was to get new midfielders. Hence the drafting of Dow and O'Brien. Both have shown a bit, although not as much as we hoped. But their time is in a year or two.

We traded for Kennedy and Lang, who were to be pillars of our midfield and who would replace Gibbs. Not a bad idea, but injury has screwed both of them up. We may not see them at their best for us until next year.
Lang hasn't played a game yet and Kennedy has played when he should not. They need time to get them right. But it means that we have a big hole in the midfield that we didn't expect to have.

We miss Murphy. The idea is to have him play forward a bit more often, as he does offer a fair bit as a goal kicker, while have the younger guys come through.
Well, the younger guys are not there yet and Murphy has been basically injured all year. He may not get back to full fitness until next year.
Hole in the midfield #2.

I do know that we were negotiating with Kelly to come over from South Freo. Geelong gesumped us and grabbed him at #31. He is not playing very well for Geelong.

Now consider our midfield with fit versions of Kennedy, Murphy and Lang, and with another good mid in Kelly.
Looks a bit different, doesn't it!

I gather that was our plan during the trade/draft period last year.

We showed our hand somewhat in the pre-season when we played Cripps forward. It was clear that plan was to cover our small forward problem with guys like Cripps, Lang and Murphy spending time forward.
Hmmmmmm.

Our defence has also been hit by poor form and injury. Alex Silvagni, for example, for probably planned to take a key defensive role until Rowe was available, leaving Jones to play a more attacking role from defence.
Whoopsies.
At this point Silvagni has struggled with injury and did not complete his only VFL game. Rowe has come back and had to stand up. He has, and great credit to him, but it was clearly not the plan to threw him in at the deep end, nor to have Jones against players that do not suit his style.
Notice the vast improvement in Jones as soon as Rowe returned.

Then there has been the form and fitness of Weitering, Marchbank and Plowman. All of these had extra pressure due to Docherty not being available. None has stood up so far. None have been 100% fit.
But we haven't been able to play guys like Williamson (probably our most athletic defender) because of injury. I am not sure what is going on with MacReadie at the moment. But it would be nice if he could step up.

Our plans did not foresee these players not producing.

Nor did our plans foresee the relative failures of Mullett and O'Shea. Sad

The ruck. Kreuzer was fit for most of the game against Richmond, and has not been since. We fell against Richmond when Kreuzer got injured, as he was in excellent form. He has not been since.
At the time our backup ruckmen were also not available. Through injury. One of them has still not been able to get through a single VFL game.
On the other hand, Phillips, who did have a couple of games in the VFL, has played quite well since his return.
However, he is not Kreuzer.

This is also something our recruiting and planning did not foresee.

Last and not least, the small forward position. We recruited Garlett and hoped leBois would fill in this role. We had Pickett, who was improving every week and looking particularly dangerous.
We had SPS, whom we hoped would spend time forward and in the midfield.
Pickett broke his scaphoid and will miss half the year and probably not retur to his best form until 2019. Garlett and SPS have shown glimpses, but have not done enough and have not worked hard enough.
Again, not what was planned in the pre-season.

Now, none of these are fatal, but we do not have the dpeth yet to cover all the injuries we have and the problems that produces. Certainly a number of players playing poorly would probably be playing better with more talent around them. They have tried to step up and have been found wanting so far.
Not good, but that is where we are at.

As Bolton pointed out, we have increased the number of youngsters each year of our rebuild. We started with 2 - 4 per week. We went to 4 - 6 each week last year. We now have between 10 and 13 per week. That is a massive amount of experience to have missing. Fro last year's B&F, four of the top 5 players are not available. Only Gibbs is gone for good. So what has happened to the rest? Look at the stands or in the coaches box.

We are at a pretty low ebb at the moment, but think about it: our present available list is a long way from its best. But that does not need to be forever.

[I hate losing, but I look at the what we put on the field. I am happy in the way we are trying to rebuild and I will give the admin the benefit of the doubt for a little longer. But not forever.]
Live Long and Prosper!
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(04-28-2018, 12:18 AM)IvanAwfulbigone link Wrote:I don’t. I hope we never win again and that the Club as a going concern is wound up sooner rather than later. Then I can get on with my life and find something useful to do which might benefit my sanity and society.

Oh dear. That is a sad state of affairs.
You have my sympathy.
I just make sure I include other favorite things of a weekend. Helping my sanity no end. I'm also seeing this as a development year. As such I'm chuffed we've been spared the massive losses.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.
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(04-28-2018, 12:18 AM)IvanAwfulbigone link Wrote:I don’t. I hope we never win again and that the Club as a going concern is wound up sooner rather than later. Then I can get on with my life and find something useful to do which might benefit my sanity and society.
Is that serious or taking the p!ss?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(04-28-2018, 02:23 AM)IvanAwfulbigone link Wrote:So sick of our deplorable skills.

Can’t kick, can’t handball. Couple of players can mark ok. Not bl00dy acceptable. WB won a premiership on the back of slick handball WHICH THEY OBVIOUSLY PRACTICED.

FMD, can we go back to dragging a player from the field if he misses a target or doesn’t stick a tackle or whatever? Drag them from the frikkin’ field and give them a bake over the phone. Screw this new age approach where we don’t want to dent their confidence or hurt their feelings. What about OUR feelings?

The way I see it, we have 3 players at an acceptable professional AFL standard. The rest are frauds.

IVAN for Prime Minister
2024... Moir of the same to come
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(04-28-2018, 06:42 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:It has been a long long period of woe for CFC fans without a doubt and I understand the frustration. However, the way I see it, the reset of three years ago was the response of the club to those years of failure.  A new direction was decided and it will be a long journey. We need to let that reset run its course before we get too uppity about it imo. Personally I'm hoping to see a bit of light getting through by the end of this season and the upward trajectory  becoming much more visible next year. If those things are not happening by then I would be getting very concerned about our future and appropriate actions by the club would be justly expected.

But Cookie... it has always been NEXT YEAR... it NEVER comes  :Smile
2024... Moir of the same to come
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(04-28-2018, 06:42 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:It has been a long long period of woe for CFC fans without a doubt and I understand the frustration. However, the way I see it, the reset of three years ago was the response of the club to those years of failure.  A new direction was decided and it will be a long journey. We need to let that reset run its course before we get too uppity about it imo. Personally I'm hoping to see a bit of light getting through by the end of this season and the upward trajectory  becoming much more visible next year. If those things are not happening by then I would be getting very concerned about our future and appropriate actions by the club would be justly expected.

I'm in. Rome wasn't built in a day  Wink

I've seen enough from the youngsters we've drafted to see our core will be strong in a year or two.
Samo, Fish, Cunningham, CC, H, Weiters, Willo, Pickett, Dow, O'Brien, Marchy....
Add in the A graders and leaders like Doc and Crippa, and you've got a core group of very good players.
There's a few others who may come along too - only time will tell.

Go Blues
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.
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(04-28-2018, 08:12 AM)Lods link Wrote:I think of what a Barassi would have thought of some of our recent efforts and the punishment he would have dealt out in subsequent training sessions.
Ah yes, Barassi’s mantra: “That practice makes perfect is bullsh!t. Only perfect practice makes perfect.”
Apparently our skills at training are clean and crisp (as reported by someone from this forum who attends occasionally).
So what happens come match day? Makes me think the players are more concerned about adhering to the process and suffering from ‘analysis paralysis’.
Maybe BB should flip his world view. Instead of trying to impose his game plan on an impressionable group, let them all off the leash and see what ensues from the chaos.
Keyboard warrior #24601
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