2018 Rd 6: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

[madbluboy]

Over reaction from Rhys. Carlton fans have been pretty tolerant compared to the Pagan era.

[blue4life]

Over reaction from Rhys. Carlton fans have been pretty tolerant compared to the Pagan era.

Carlton fans are entitled to be angry after 15 years of empty promises and failure, Rhys-Jones is being a bit precious if you ask me.

[PaulP]

Could be construed as a hissy fit, but I think he's making a "forest for the trees" argument, which is fair enough in my view.

[Lods]

I respect his position but I would challenge the fact that because we may not have played the game our support and emotional investment in the club and team is any less than his or any other player.

We come to our positions from different backgrounds.
Some of us were born Blue.
Unlike many players it's the only club we've ever known
And having followed the side we're pretty aware of the sacrifices and dedication the players make.
But at the same time were also aware that the players and coaching staff are well compensated financially for those sacrifices....paid for in part by the very supporters being questioned.

I won't have anyone telling me the kind of supporter I should be.
You can command my respect through your deeds and performance, as DRJ did...but you cant demand my respect.

Folks being questioned are passionate for a reason...it's because they love the club and want it to be successful.
Simple as that!

[cookie2]

Carlton fans are entitled to be angry after 15 years of empty promises and failure, Rhys-Jones is being a bit precious if you ask me.

It has been a long long period of woe for CFC fans without a doubt and I understand the frustration. However, the way I see it, the reset of three years ago was the response of the club to those years of failure.  A new direction was decided and it will be a long journey. We need to let that reset run its course before we get too uppity about it imo. Personally I'm hoping to see a bit of light getting through by the end of this season and the upward trajectory  becoming much more visible next year. If those things are not happening by then I would be getting very concerned about our future and appropriate actions by the club would be justly expected.

[crashlander]

We had some pretty good players last night, but those who were not good were really bad.

[1] Jack had 8 possessions and every one was pretty good. However, we didn't kick it near him on the forward line. It might be an idea to play him in the middle for a while to get him into the play and work on his reflexes in close.

[2] Lachie Plowman is really struggling, and has all year. His confidence is down and he is being beaten in one on one contests. I'd like to drop him for a couple of weeks, but I don't think there is anyone to to replace him that is ready.

[3] I would not have played Marchbank. Like Plowman, he has struggled this year and the marks he has dropped (not to mention spoiling Jones yesterday: that was terrible) shows the lack of touch and the lack of confidence. He needs to time to get his touch and confidence back and he isn't going to do it getting flogged each week.

[4] SPS: for a guy who has such talent, SPS has really disappointed this year. he hasn't shown the intensity that he requires. He wasn't too bad in defence, where he had to work harder, but we really need him in the middle or forward and he is just not producing.

[5] Matty Wright is suffering from his worst patch of form since coming to us. He is struggling both in the air and at ground level: he hasn't snapped a goal since round #1.
Part of the problem is our poor forward work, but some of it is his lack of form and athleticism. However, unlike Adelaide, we cannot afford to drop him.

[6] Mullett: He was recruited as a spare part, but having to play him each week is showing how ordinary our list is at the moment. He is not the future. Not at all. When the pressure is on, he is missing.

[7] Cam O'Shea: another spare part who is finding senior football a bridge too far. He played reasonably yesterday, but his disposal was ordinary at best (and it wasn't 'best' very often). I understand that he is required at the moment, but I am disappointed that he hasn't really been able to step up.

[8] Matthew Kennedy: I know we need him in the mid field, but we do not need as he is at the moment, half fit and lacking confidence badly. His inability to get to contests has been crippling in the middle. He needs time to get himself right, because we have too many slow players at the moment.
Bring him back after the bye with a few 30+ possession games under his belt in the VFL and a better understanding with our rucks and he will be a better option. But at the moment his opponents are just burning him off and leaving him frustrated (not to mention the supporters).

I do not have a solution to our problems: our biggest issue is getting fit guys on the field. Then we need to run them into form. We have so much leadership sitting in the stands at the moment that it is very frustrating.

[Gointocarlton]

It has been a long long period of woe for CFC fans without a doubt and I understand the frustration. However, the way I see it, the reset of three years ago was the response of the club to those years of failure.  A new direction was decided and it will be a long journey. We need to let that reset run its course before we get too uppity about it imo. Personally I'm hoping to see a bit of light getting through by the end of this season and the upward trajectory  becoming much more visible next year. If those things are not happening by then I would be getting very concerned about our future and appropriate actions by the club would be justly expected.

Was a long period of woe for Richmond fans also, then 2017 happened. Difference between us and the other mobs which IMO causes all the angst amongst supporters is:
- we have the equal most premierships.
- premierships have always been expected at Carlton (we never made up the numbers).

[Lods]

Was a long period of woe for Richmond fans also, then 2017 happened. Difference between us and the other mobs which IMO causes all the angst amongst supporters is:
- we have the equal most premierships.
- premierships have always been expected at Carlton (we never made up the numbers).

I reckon that attitude is fast dissipating.

I used to feel sorry for St Kilda, Bulldogs and Melbourne supporters.
Thought it must be horrible to never know success....but more and more that is becoming us.
Supporters under 21 wouldn't know what it's like to be a successful club...that's bloody scary

[Jack Burton]

Bulldogs supporters around us last night were genuine smarta$$es, rubbed our noses in how bad we were at every opportunity, and there were plenty of opportunities

[Gointocarlton]

I reckon that attitude is fast dissipating.

You think so Lods? Maybe amongst the younger folk. I reckon deep in the bowels of PP and amongst the older, hard core supporters/benefactors, I reckon the attitude is as strong as ever hence the angst. Maybe its good in the sense that it drives the desire for success, bad if the shorted sightness kicks in and shite decisions get made due to impatience.