AFL Rd 17 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

[PaulP]

I suspect 2002 is the year when those stats were first recorded, rather than the year in which the record occurred. Those players weren't playing in 2002.

[kruddler]

I suspect 2002 is the year when those stats were first recorded, rather than the year in which the record occurred. Those players weren't playing in 2002.

It states this is all from 1999 onwards

EDIT: Apologies. You are correct, i didn't scroll across to the next column...i'll update

[Lods]

It might be that the ruck contests aren't where we need to keep Darcy and Jackson in check.
It might be more their around the ground ability.
Both average around 14 possessions a game.
Without some decent opponents they may well exceed that number.

Now you would think, and hope, that Young, as a defender will have some effect in nullifying that, but playing as a defender around the ground against ruckmen may be a different challenge..

[kruddler]

It might be that the ruck contests aren't where we need to keep Darcy and Jackson in check.
It might be more their around the ground ability.
Both average around 14 possessions a game.
Without some decent opponents they may well exceed that number.

Now you would think, and hope, that Young, as a defender will have some effect in nullifying that, but playing as a defender around the ground against ruckmen may be a different challenge..

Turn that negative into a positive.

Play through our 2 'rucks'.
Let Jack and Young run off them and force them to chase tail and tire them out.
Darcy is more likely to blow up as its not really his go....but thats exactly the one we want to tire out.

Id be hoping for Jack to get 20 touches and hit the scoreboard too.
Young, i'd just be happy to fill the hole at CHB.

[madbluboy]

I thought the opposition didn't matter. You won or lost only based on the number of rucks you play.
At least thats the stat you post each week.
Are you suggesting there is more to it than that?

I said Silvagni can't ruck against legit ruckman. Let's wait till Sunday hey? It's your time to shine

[kruddler]

I said Silvagni can't ruck against legit ruckman. Let's wait till Sunday hey? It's your time to shine

No, its not.

It is not, and has not ever been my contention to have silvagni play as a ruck.
Circumstances make it the better option....and when he does, he does a lot better than he should given how ill prepared he is to be a ruck.
If TDK had half the heart SOS had, and could become more of a weapon around the ground, including defensively, i'd be the first one to tell Jack to jog off to the 2nds....but he doesn't.

Jack will get flogged, but he won't drop his head. He won't shirk contests. He won't give up.
Young....i'd be happy if he can do just one of them under the same duress.

[madbluboy]

If we beat them despite getting flogged in the ruck then it will highlight how useless Pittonet is.

[kruddler]

If we beat them despite getting flogged in the ruck then it will highlight how useless Pittonet is.

Not exactly.
It will certainly highlight that you don't need 2 rucks playing though.

[madbluboy]

Not exactly.
It will certainly highlight that you don't need 2 rucks playing though.

Yep and the one who is the invisible man after the tap gets the bullet.

[kruddler]

Yep and the one who is the invisible man after the tap gets the bullet.

Which you are referring to Pittonet.
Yet he averages a mere 1 possession less than TDK does, and has played 8% less TOG on average.

So they are both invisible men around the ground. May as well play the one that gives us first use more than any other ruck in the game....and the one we offered a contract too first and isn't scared of throwing his weight around.