Ajla Tomljanović vs America

[Mav]

By the way, here’s a reddit debate on just that issue:  https://www.reddit.com/r/AFL/comments/1n...e_and_why/

[PaulP]

Pauly can you elaborate on bold bit 2 please. Bold bit 1 is my criteria (ie number of titles) and there nothing else by which to measure IMO.

I think this discussion is lacking in accurate definitions, which unfortunately doesn't help anyone.

Trying to answer your question, firstly there is a difference between number of slams and number of titles. We need to know what it is we are counting. Secondly, when I refer to other criteria, there could be many : winning percentage, weeks at No1, Olympic medals,  etc. In trying to assess the GOAT, as futile as it is, I don't believe looking at number of Grand Slams is enough.

[Thryleon]

But you’re conflating GOAT with the number of slams won. That’s just 1 relevant measure. And you can’t say that other measures can’t be considered because the mix of measures is subjective. This is especially the case when we’re talking a differential of only 1 slam and there’s heated agreement that comparisons between different eras are fraught.

For instance, Plugger unquestionably holds the record for the greatest number of goals kicked. But that doesn’t mean a case can’t be made that Jason Dunstall is the greatest FF in history. He played in 4 premierships while Plugger and Ablett played in none. As Ablett showed when he kicked 14 against Essendon, eclipsing Salmon’s 10, big bags don’t necessarily win games. Dunstall was more of a team player. And that might lead some to put him ahead of Plugger or Ablett. (Apologies to Coventry by the way)

No Im simply pointing at the scoreboard.

In Tennis thats much less subjective.

[Gointocarlton]

I think this discussion is lacking in accurate definitions, which unfortunately doesn't help anyone.

Trying to answer your question, firstly there is a difference between number of slams and number of titles. We need to know what it is we are counting. Secondly, when I refer to other criteria, there could be many : winning percentage, weeks at No1, Olympic medals,  etc. In trying to assess the GOAT, as futile as it is, I don't believe looking at number of Grand Slams is enough.

Ok no worries, I mixed slams with Titles. For me its Titles.

[Mav]

No Im simply pointing at the scoreboard.

In Tennis thats much less subjective.

There are many scoreboards in tennis. How you weight them is up to you, but your result will remain debatable.

[Thryleon]

^^

Court’s career spanned both amateur and professional eras, amassing a 1,180-107 record—the most in history—which equates to a remarkable 92 percent winning mark. When the Open Era commenced in 1968, Court compiled a 593-56 record and won at the same uncanny clip. She was a buzz saw with the sharpest blades, winning 24 of her major titles in 29 opportunities (83 percent). She went 11-of-12 in championship matches in the Open Era (92 percent), when the competition and stakes were ratcheted up considerably higher.

Court is one of only five players in tennis history, joining Navratilova, Serena Williams, Emerson, and Frank Sedgman, to win a career Grand Slam in two categories, and she stands alone as the only player in history to win three calendar-year Grand Slams (one in singles, two in mixed doubles). Court won singles, doubles, and mixed doubles championships at all four majors (a career boxed-set), and only Navratilova and Doris Hart can claim the same, but Court won all 12 majors at least twice. No one in history has come remotely close to that record.

https://www.tennisfame.com/hall-of-famer...mith-court

[Mav]

Did you know Court won only 4 matches to win the 1964 Australian Championships? There were only 27 entrants and she received a bye in the 1st round. Serena and Steffi both had to win 7 matches to win each Open and they never received a scheduled bye. Interesting, no?

[Thryleon]

So is Carlton the GOAT of AFL football or is someone else? After all we won some flags with less than half the matches required today to win a flag.

[Mav]

Do you seriously contend that other clubs’ supporters agree we’re the GOAT? I’d be surprised if you could find any. You’d be on much firmer ground if you asked them whether Carlton had the most premierships alongside Essendon in the history of the VFL/AFL.

[Lods]

So is Carlton the GOAT of AFL football or is someone else? After all we won some flags with less than half the matches required today to win a flag.

Let's have a vote  ;D