Hall of fame - Goodes

[crashlander]

My surname in 5 letters long and as Anglo-Saxon as you can get: Beare. Pronounced liked the animal, although most people get it wrong. The things I copped for that! Particularly as I was overweight as a child.

Things were like that in those days, and things haven't changed that much today.  I grew a relatively thick skin, and led the clowns in the direction I preferred: "There's a Beare in There! And a chair as well!"

Maybe I don't know what it is like to be a 'black fella'. But I do know what it is like to be abused by idiots. I would not have knocked back an honour like that. I would feel vindicated.

While I didn't boo Adam Goodes more than about twice, it was never racist for me. I didn't like him because he was a hypocrite. And he remains one.
There were times when he actively hid behind his aboriginality, using it to shield from criticism that he deserved. He used it at the tribunal. But when things the other way, he was the first to shout 'racist'.
Nor did it stop him using racist language at others, just because they not black.
Similarly when it came to his slide tackles. he was the first to complain for anything done to him or his teammates, yet he did things that were designed to injure.

I have a lot of respect for people like Barry Cable, Syd Jackson and Eddie Betts, who were abused verbally most unfairly, yet did not retaliate with bile. They copped it and moved on, to be champions in spite of everything they were subjected to. They were not hypocritical. When I hear some of the stories that Eddie tells I must admit that I am horrified. They were true to themselves and would definitely not have forgone an honour like being a Hall of Famer.
I can remember only one time when Syd hid behind his ethnicity. He was involved in a fight in the 2nd semi final and was let off because he said he had been racially abused. He copped a lot of racial abuse that day, just not from the player he hit. He told a porkie pie and go to play as a result in the 1970 GF. He is not proud of that. He admits that publicly. I can't see Adam Goodes admitting that he did anything wrong. he appears to like being represented as a 'victim', rather than rising above it.

In another field, I am reminded of a certain 1st black President of South Africa. He suffered more racism that any aboriginal has ever done. He was locked up for years in conditions we would not keep an animal in. Yet, he did not seek revenge. He something else far more difficult. He may not have made South Africa into a Paradise, but he made it a much better and more just place than it could have been.
if I were Adam Goodes, I would look towards Nelson Mandela for a way to improve things. He certainly had more class than a man who rejects honours offered to him. He would be a bigger man to accept, and to make his point other ways.

[kruddler]

Regardless of whether or not he should've knocked back the hall of fame honours. He will always be in the hall of fame to me.

First round induction into the Hall of Fame biggest wankers!
Nothing to do with his skin colour.
Nothing to do with his ability.
Simply to do with his actions and the way he carried himself......as a footballer.

He would sit quite comfortably with fellow Hall of Fame biggest wankers Stephen Milne, Darren Milburn and Ryan Crowley.

[PaulP]

I have no issue with Goodes at all. No individual or organisation is 100% clean, but what he did took real guts. And he's still paying a price now.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Was a fan of his abilities as a player, he had great skills for a player his size but his personality was never one that grabbed me unlike say Eddie Betts who has also copped his fair share of racism but Eddie has always pushed through and kept his happy go lucky persona while dealing with the racist BS thrown his way.
I didnt dislike Goodes but couldnt warm to him which made it hard to understand his actions...his carry on with the very inoffensive Carlton group of supporters at the SCG was clearly frustration from previous games dealing with other idiot supporters but his war dance was uncalled for and only inflamed the situation and made him more of a target.
Eddie would have handled that differently IMO and played to the crowd like he always does and thats why he is such a respected and loved figure in the game.
I get Goodes is still bitter and its his choice what awards he wants to embrace or denounce...

[Thryleon]

Just to reiterate something here.

Why was he booed again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzkKqUoE5yM

  Swan dive, then kicks out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b7QRl8aoRY

  Hits behind play.  Not a good look.  Continues after hes done with that one.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/22461/goode...9387137001

Now I have seen a lot of players booed across the journey.  Thing is, they usually get booed for either being good (Judd) snobbing a team and going elsewhere (Treloar copped it for choosing the Pies over Richmond and saying that they were closer to a flag and had a better list), Ballantyne (for being himself, the guy was a bit of a pain) and Crowley (No one likes a good tagger).

The Richmond hit is a free kick irrespective of him making a meal of it.  The Tigers have championed the face fend off.  That needs to stop because sooner or later, someone is going to have a neck issue (someone from a team that isnt Carlton, Ed Curnow says hi) but play acting isnt really admired or liked in the AFL fraternity because thats what they accuse soccer players of.



The racism argument is often one sided.  You are racist if you boo.  You are not racist if you are proud of being deadly (to coin a phrase).  Thing is, racism is racism.  You can promote a race and not denigrate others and still be racist.  I heard a rather racist comment from a black person.  Despite empathising with black people, others wont ever understand racism unless they are black.  Hang about, Im pretty confident Asian, and Muslim people cop similar or worse despite not being considered black.  I am confident that  "the wogs" of the community have worn and put up with a fair amount of racism.  If you have ever been made to feel shame for being a bit different or from an ethnic group, then that is the text book example of racism at work.  Now its racist to point the finger at others for simply being white and accusing them of being racist for taking objection to a persons character because they are black?  No.  I dont like that.  I can call someone a flog if I dont like them.  There are many walking and talking flogs in sport.  I have seen Darcy Vescio make some comments on social media that similarly are man hating.  I told her to be better than that.  No need to pull men down to be a proud female.

The same applies to the indigenous, and multicultural communities.  They are the only ones I have seen that consider myself to be a white person, because the white fraternity dont see me as anything but different.  We are similarly rejected by all parties, and I for one see this new attempt to make everyone feel shame for what it is.  Abject Prejudicial Discrimination.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

If we stopped labelling people (as Indigenous, european whatever) and started calling everyone Australian, guess what would happen to racism.

[Micky0]

I didnt dislike Goodes but couldnt warm to him which made it hard to understand his actions...his carry on with the very inoffensive Carlton group of supporters at the SCG was clearly frustration from previous games dealing with other idiot supporters but his war dance was uncalled for and only inflamed the situation and made him more of a target.

Mainly this.

I remember the game, i still remember watching it.  I remember we had not been going great (sounds familiar, again!) and then they were beating us - I've just looked it up - 51 to 10! he had a set shot right in front! He'd been booed the game before and his 'payback' was aimed at our tiny cheersquad up in Sydney... and then he tried behind it with oh it was an Aboriginal war dance celebrating my aboriginality and you're all racist for saying it was aggressive.  GIVE ME A BREAK.  He had pent up frustration and he took it out on a lowly opposition. pathetic.

vision - you tell me - is this good sportsmanship:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-ZVXE-LGw


What they said at the time::

The dance sparked mixed reactions within the wider football community and on social media.

"Probably best not to do it," Denis Cometti said during the match broadcast on Channel Seven.

But Cameron Ling defended the move, saying players were entitled to celebrate.

"Provided its not any obscene, and that certainly wasn't, you can enjoy the moment," he said.

"Won't stop the booing, though will it?" Cometti replied.

Goodes' former teammate Barry Hall questioned the move on Fox Footy, while Hawthorn premiership player Dermot Brereton said the action was "agressive" while speaking on SEN radio.

"To actually run at somebody in a war dance... it actually signifies I want to be violent against you," Brereton said.

"I didn't like it. No good could come from it."

"I am all for Adam Goodes being Australian of the year, every Australian of the year has the absolute right, onus and responsibility to push his cause, but you don't do it in this manner."

[LP]

But Cameron Ling defended the move, saying players were entitled to celebrate.

"Provided its not any obscene, and that certainly wasn't, you can enjoy the moment," he said.

Ling hates us, file that one away for reference next time you listen to Ling commentating our games.

If Goodes had done that against the Handbaggers, Ling would have been up in arms labelling Goodes irresponsible and aggressive and suggesting he gets an AFL please explain!

[Thryleon]

Mainly this.

I remember the game, i still remember watching it.  I remember we had not been going great (sounds familiar, again!) and then they were beating us - I've just looked it up - 51 to 10! he had a set shot right in front! He'd been booed the game before and his 'payback' was aimed at our tiny cheersquad up in Sydney... and then he tried behind it with oh it was an Aboriginal war dance celebrating my aboriginality and you're all racist for saying it was aggressive.  GIVE ME A BREAK.  He had pent up frustration and he took it out on a lowly opposition. pathetic.

vision - you tell me - is this good sportsmanship:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-ZVXE-LGw


What they said at the time::

The dance sparked mixed reactions within the wider football community and on social media.

"Probably best not to do it," Denis Cometti said during the match broadcast on Channel Seven.

But Cameron Ling defended the move, saying players were entitled to celebrate.

"Provided its not any obscene, and that certainly wasn't, you can enjoy the moment," he said.

"Won't stop the booing, though will it?" Cometti replied.

Goodes' former teammate Barry Hall questioned the move on Fox Footy, while Hawthorn premiership player Dermot Brereton said the action was "agressive" while speaking on SEN radio.

"To actually run at somebody in a war dance... it actually signifies I want to be violent against you," Brereton said.

"I didn't like it. No good could come from it."

"I am all for Adam Goodes being Australian of the year, every Australian of the year has the absolute right, onus and responsibility to push his cause, but you don't do it in this manner."

Imagine, all he had to do was run at the camera rather than the crowd and the whole situation changes...

[Thryleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b7QRl8aoRY

https://www.afl.com.au/video/22461/goode...9387137001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzkKqUoE5yM

Watch these.  Actually watch them.  Is it boo worthy??

I think so.  I havent included the slide on Gibson.  It looked bad, but the ball was more in play than it looked, but he almost pioneered the contact below the knee rules.

[ElwoodBlues1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b7QRl8aoRY

https://www.afl.com.au/video/22461/goode...9387137001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzkKqUoE5yM

Watch these.  Actually watch them.  Is it boo worthy??

I think so.  I havent included the slide on Gibson.  It looked bad, but the ball was more in play than it looked, but he almost pioneered the contact below the knee rules.

I saw him more than once slide into players with his knees while they were on the ground, no one likes getting kicked and
I can see why Thompson was upset. Goodes is also pretty quick to exit when its someone his own size as well and when they are not on the ground and an easy target. Its hard to understand why he would lower himself to these levels when he was such a talented player..