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Football Department Review
I've finished my review. I have no recommendations yet.

Bolton came into the job with a brief to develop a young rebuilding list.
He came with the idea that he’d work first on the defensive side of things and get that settled, then build on that foundation.

Silvagni came into his job wanting to build a well- rounded list, not one to finish eighth but one that would enjoy a ‘sustained period of success’.
His first draft secured a Key forward, key back, a tall utility, a mid-fielder….and Jack (a good start)

David Teague came on board as an assistant coach (forwards) after a successful stint working with the forwards at Adelaide

Bolton played the younger players in many positions usually taken by the more experienced, especially midfield, while the older player adopted secondary roles. The aim was to develop these youngsters by giving them early responsibility. How this was received by some of the older players is uncertain but they seemed to perk up when returned to their previous responsibilities.

2019 and suddenly wins took precedent over development. Bolton out the door.

With development pushed to the side Teague now looks for wins or at best good results. Senior players replace the younger group in important roles (have a look at Dow’s 2019 stats before and after Teague took over).

Teague enters the job talking a revolutionary idea that the practices of the recent past (by most AFL sides), a concentration on defence first, could be overwhelmed by an all-out attack.
He sees an opportunity to change the way the game is played and at the same time gain a ‘competitive advantage’.

Prior to taking on the senior role and in the months after he went after and advocated for a couple of players from his old club who would help his cause in McGovern and Betts
He had reason to be optimistic coming into 2021. He could perhaps see a time later in the year where he had a forward line that looked a bit like this…
F: Betts, McKay, McGovern (A fit one)
HF: Martin, Curnow, Silvagni.
That would have been a forward line hard to cover had they all been fit and firing at their best. (wishful thinking maybe)

The key was getting the ball to them. A fully fit Cripps, Walsh and Williams (who could also play an attacking half-back role), attacking half backs in Saad and Docherty…and suddenly the all-out attack didn’t seem too far-fetched. If they scored a 100 we’d score 110-120.

The first problem of course was we were never going to have that full list, fully fit.
Instead, we had
- players on long term injury,
- players playing injured or
- form slumps with players inconsistent or well below their best.
And the reality was that the attacking mid-field depth was dependent on players stepping up, which just hasn't happened.

All of this has contributed to an extra work- load on a smaller group who were just getting worn down over time. While there were parts of our game that were very good, it just wasn’t sustainable. As a result we probably have a bit of a kick-back from some players. They question the ability to play a game style we don’t have the players to implement. There are queries as to why some players are selected over others. Attempts to correct things are difficult having had a style of play drilled into them. Compromises need to be made but there are no easy games in 2021 and making adjustments mid-season is complicated.

It's not so much a lack of faith in the coach. It's more a result of the circumstances we find ourselves in. The incoming President picks up on this and brings forward a review hoping to have things evaluated and settled before preparations for 2022 can begin.

The second problem is just a guess that flows from the above, but it may go some way to providing an explanation for the way Silvagni left.
Silvagni’s aim would have been for a team that was evenly balanced. All of a sudden his plans are disrupted by a change in focus to this attacking style. The move to bring Betts into the side being an example. Was there this argument over attack v balance and did Liddle and Lloyd side with Teague’s approach. Silvagni was planning to stay a little longer but the rug was pulled out from underneath him. The impression was he didn’t fight too hard to resist.

The third and major issue that probably won’t get a mention in any review is that from the point when this rebuild was planned and announced none of the architects or builders managed to see it through.
The folks in charge at different points will have put their own marks and twists on what is occurring and  as a result it may have lost its way.
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I'm pretty sure I read comments from Silvagni that he was on board with getting Betts to the club. I think what gave him the sh1ts is that (according to him) Liddle offered Betts more money than what has originally agreed to.
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Teague's early success is not hard to figure out. We should all be pretty worried about what's happened since then. His record in 2019 won't save his ar$e. As far as the club is concerned, it's ancient history.
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(06-24-2021, 11:38 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Teague's early success is not hard to figure out. We should all be pretty worried about what's happened since then. His record in 2019 won't save his ar$e. As far as the club is concerned, it's ancient history.
His record in 2021 is still better than what Bolton was putting out.

FWIW, Carlton have the 2nd easiest draw from here.
AND
Carlton have had the 4th most injuries to date......if we add in the BS suspensions, we'd probably jump up a notch or 2 for games missed by injuries AND suspension.
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If you think "better than Bolton" is a standard that Carlton will accept, and a standard that will save his job.................

They gave him a better, more expensive list and free rein in the expectation of playing finals.

Teague won't last 30 seconds if he goes into the review and says "but my record is better than Bolts." He shouldn't use that as a pass mark or a yard stick, and neither should we.
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(06-24-2021, 11:04 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Different lists.

Teague took over Boltons list.
Teague got more wins in his first 11 games than Bolton did in his last 50+.
Wrong, Teague got 6 wins in his first 11, Bolts got 8 in his last 50.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(06-24-2021, 12:47 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Wrong, Teague got 6 wins in his first 11, Bolts got 8 in his last 50.

Good point. Teague got those wins in the midst of Caretaker Coach Euphoria. Bolton was getting his pants pulled down by anyone who walked past towards the end, much like Teague is now.

I've got nothing against Teague, but those who are pumping up his record as some amazing thing are basing their arguments on fluff. If his record was so great, the club would not be in review mode and the football world would not be disillusioned and baying for blood. Whether those reactions are fair and reasonable is not the issue.
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(06-24-2021, 12:47 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Wrong, Teague got 6 wins in his first 11, Bolts got 8 in his last 50.
Typo, was meant to say 40+.
All the data I've looked at has been comparing 40 games.
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(06-24-2021, 10:28 PM)kruddler date Wrote:Typo, was meant to say 40+.
All the data I've looked at has been comparing 40 games.
Regardless, the critics are ignoring the massive change in the way we play, and just looking at the results.

If Bolton had made as much progress and impact on our game style and scoring in his first two years as Teague has, then Bolton might not have got the sack!

In my opinion Teague is on the right track, with a trajectory that suggests huge improvement is possible over the next two seasons, and our club best be wary of the white ants that can see that and look to opportunistically get on board, and also be wary of our enemies that look to scupper that progress by any means possible.

The white ants see the reality, we are just 2 or 3 goals in the first half season away from being in the bottom of the top eight, the impatient fans are fools if they fail to recognise that change!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"
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(06-24-2021, 09:49 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Good point. Teague got those wins in the midst of Caretaker Coach Euphoria. Bolton was getting his pants pulled down by anyone who walked past towards the end, much like Teague is now.

I've got nothing against Teague, but those who are pumping up his record as some amazing thing are basing their arguments on fluff. If his record was so great, the club would not be in review mode and the football world would not be disillusioned and baying for blood. Whether those reactions are fair and reasonable is not the issue.
You misunderstand.

I'm not saying his record is so good. I'm saying it's not as bad as people make out.
You say it's a new list.
I point to Bolton's efforts with the same list.

Again, it's not just about wins and losses but being competitive too.

Outside of Carlton, nobody expected Carlton to do much this year....or at least other than a very select few did.
The noise about this is coming from Carlton supporters who drank the coolaid that our pr department was selling.......and the media jumping on board and contradicting their own opinions.

Expectations aside. We are NOT going that badly....certainly not sack the coach worthy. Certainly not with the draw we've had and the injuries we've had.
If we don't win another game from here...re-evaluate.
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