Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

[cookie2]

I want to know why some of those older players are still on the list,  or put on there in the first place

Yep. That really puts us between a rock and a hard place. Too many of our mature players just aren't good enough or are injured/injury prone.

[LP]

If nothing else, Pittonet proved why Kreuzer was someone we should have replaced a while ago.

We've picked up plenty of replacements but they haven't worked out, De Koning looks promising but he's on his own at the moment.

Pittonet is a nice guy but based on his historical output he is a placeholder. Who knows, maybe he can do a Levi and find ways to make himself more valuable, but we cannot assume it's going to be in the ruck.

Do we really want to recruit more "Tens years to wake up" type players?

[flyboy77]

Pittonet is a nice guy but based on his historical output he is a placeholder.

Gee, that's hard on a 202cm guy who only turned 24 2 weeks ago.

The  three blokes on the Hawk's list who are legitimate rucks are all 29+ yo. McEvoy 31 next month....

Funny stuff LP.

[Gointocarlton]

Gee, that's hard on a 202cm guy who only turned 24 2 weeks ago.

The  three blokes on the Hawk's list who are legitimate rucks are all 29+ yo. McEvoy 31 next month....

Funny stuff LP.

Agreed, as bad as we are travelling, a bit harsh to pot a bloke in his first game for the club.

[LP]

Agreed, as bad as we are travelling, a bit harsh to pot a bloke in his first game for the club.

It's not his first AFL game, he's been in the system since 2014, it's a harsh reality.

If De Koning is at the same stage in 2023 many fans will want him cut due to the lack of progress!

By the time these rucks are 4 or 5 years in the system they need to be at a high level, if not they are likely to be career placeholders. A lot of players have entered the system later and gone past a guy like Pittonet.

Even Levi, without his improved KPP play he'd be long gone, because his rucking is at very best B-Grade but probably in reality C-Grade!

When we lose SpecialK we see such a stark difference in match-day outcomes, is not because SpecialK is fragile, but because the next player in line is so much weaker in the same role! He's our only current A-Grade ruck option by a long way!

Further, in recent years, we've been weakened because a bunch of Norbits somewhere decided rucks were over-rated and we bought in big time. Now the trend has reversed we are screwed and doing so from a position of weakness on the bottom of the ladder. We demolished the only part of our club that had A-Grade depth!

[flyboy77]

It's not his first AFL game, he's been in the system since 2014, it's a harsh reality.

If De Koning is at the same stage in 2023 many fans will want him cut due to the lack of progress!

By the time these rucks are 4 or 5 years in the system they need to be at a high level, if not they are likely to be career placeholders. A lot of players have entered the system later and gone past a guy like Pittonet.

Even Levi, without his improved KPP play he'd be long gone, because his rucking is at very best B-Grade but probably in reality C-Grade!

When we lose SpecialK we see such a stark difference in match-day outcomes, is not because SpecialK is fragile, but because the next player in line is so much weaker in the same role! He's our only current A-Grade ruck option by a long way!

Further, in recent years, we've been weakened because a bunch of Norbits somewhere decided rucks were over-rated and we bought in big time. Now the trend has reversed we are screwed and doing so from a position of weakness on the bottom of the ladder. We demolished the only part of our club that had A-Grade depth!

Bollocks.

Darcy Cameron picked by the Pies as their second ruckman - almost 25 with two career games!

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_p...1=C&fid2=C

Rowan Marshall at the Saints who only started coming good last year - 35 games and 6 months older.

Preuss at the Dees - 15 career games (2 clubs), 25 yesterday. 1 year older.

Smith at the Lions - almost 25, 11 games.

[LP]

Bollocks.

Darcy Cameron picked by the Pies as their second ruckman - almost 25 with two career games!

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_p...1=C&fid2=C

Rowan Marshall at the Saints who only started coming good last year - 35 games and 6 months older.

Preuss at the Dees - 15 career games (2 clubs), 25 yesterday. 1 year older.

Smith at the Lions - almost 25, 11 games.

What use is referencing a bunch of 2nd ruck B or C graders when discussing a potential Kreuzer replacement?

2nd rucks, the definition of placeholders behind guys like Grundy, Ryder, Martin, Kreuzer, .

Preuss is down the ruck pecking order at the Dees, they've already picked up another kid to supersede him. Preuss might play ruck in the VFL, but that is basically two clubs and two fails, yet not many would suggest Preuss is weaker ruck option than Pittonet.

Smith at the Lions is in 3rd or 4th place in the 1st ruck pecking order.

Marshall needed Ryder to bail him out as a 1st ruck option, yet Marshall cleaned up our own 2nd ruck options and would be rated by most of our fans as well ahead of a guy like Pittonet.

[ElwoodBlues1]

If nothing else, Pittonet proved why Kreuzer was someone we should have replaced a while ago.

Fully agree, we need another ruckman like Pittonet for when we have injuries or when we need to play two specialist ruckman.
Its time for Kreuzer to retire...

[ElwoodBlues1]

What use is referencing a bunch of 2nd ruck B or C graders when discussing a potential Kreuzer replacement?

2nd rucks, the definition of placeholders behind guys like Grundy, Ryder, Martin, Kreuzer, .

Preuss is down the ruck pecking order at the Dees, they've already picked up another kid to supersede him. Preuss might play ruck in the VFL, but that is basically two clubs and two fails, yet not many would suggest Preuss is weaker ruck option than Pittonet.

Smith at the Lions is in 3rd or 4th place in the 1st ruck pecking order.

Marshall needed Ryder to bail him out as a 1st ruck option, yet Marshall cleaned up our own 2nd ruck options and would be rated by most of our fans as well ahead of a guy like Pittonet.

Marshall was originally a forward, with Ryder they can play him forward more and make up for losing McCartin and Bruce.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Gee, that's hard on a 202cm guy who only turned 24 2 weeks ago.

The  three blokes on the Hawk's list who are legitimate rucks are all 29+ yo. McEvoy 31 next month....

Funny stuff LP.

Hawks will steal another ruckman, they like them mature and well schooled.......