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(06-16-2020, 02:11 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Lyon's record at 2 no hoper clubs is pretty good, but the coaching merry go round has to stop.
My concern is the potential lack of wins will see the media do their sh1t all over again, and I'm not sure that our club is strong enough to resist and push back. Their record in this space up to now has been appalling.
This is Teague's major issue and he knows it. The journey to a flag is a long one but at this stage just getting us challenging for finals would be good enough for the shorter term, and would maybe keep many of the wolves from the door of club management. The shorter term is definitely it's big priority imo and even if we got Lyon and he started to get a few ugly wins this would be good enough for its immediate needs, then worry about taking the next steps. It's a survival strategy rather than a longer term winning strategy at this stage.
Reality always wins in the end.
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Cornes the media whore has started operation "undermine Carlton" already AFAIC.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
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(06-16-2020, 02:01 AM)capcom link Wrote:Peak stupid if we do that, let alone even consider it. 100% concur with that comment. After 11 games?
What if we are 11 - 0.
What if we are dead last with a percentage under 50
Gold Coast have just gone past us in an offseason.
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(06-16-2020, 12:24 AM)Lods link Wrote:@baggers and GIC.....
I 'm not sure that what you're saying and what I'm saying are necessarily mutually exclusive.
My argument is that we are still to gel as a unit in comparison with other sides due to the turnover of personnel.
Again.... 'No other club has had the changes of personnel ours has had in the last five years'
It's a strategy few clubs have ever attempted.
I suspect it's a model few clubs will ever repeat.
Now part of that understanding that needs to develop is the ability to combine together to apply pressure for longer periods of time.
Passion for club and teammates is another aspect that develops over time.
For a Jack Silvagni that's something he was born with...if you come through another club or two (the passage of a good number of our players) it takes a little longer.
We've had slow starts, but at least there's a belief there that even 6 or 7 goals down they're still not out of the game.
I posted in another thread that the resumption would cause some problems for some clubs. The successful ones were always going to be the ones who could get their 'combination' back together the quickest. Successful ones like the Port, Cheats and Norf who are 2-0
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(06-16-2020, 12:37 AM)Professer E link Wrote:If Teague can't sort the starts out fasts I'm afraid he's going to become another Bolton and we'll be looking at another reset. Liddell and Lloyd won't want their mate on the sidelines watching you long if go 5 from 17. Well we are still losing more than we win, cant turn up to games until the second qtr, cant hit target and cant kick easy goals. Start the reset now.
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(06-16-2020, 01:11 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Work rate, work rate, work rate.
Not leg speed, but work rate (aka intensity).
Round 1 tackles from our leaders:
Simmo 0
Murph 0
Crippa 2
Doc 1
Weiters 3
Ed C 3
Newnes 1
Overall, 9 players with ZERO tackles, 14 with one or less.
Round 2 tackles from our leaders:
Simmo 1
Murph 0
Crippa 2
Doc 2
Weiters 0
Ed C 2
Newnes 1
Overall, 5 players with ZERO tackles (Murphy both weeks), 8 with one or less.
41 tackles for the team in Rd. 2, 23 in Round 1. - average 32. Lowest in the league!
We averaged 63 tackles a game in 2019.
St Kilda are averaging 64 tackles a game in 2020. Double.
Work rate, work rate, work rate. So tell em if they dont lay a minimum of 5 tackles and win 3 frees for HTB, they dont play next week
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(06-16-2020, 01:30 AM)Hubba link Wrote:Scary with Ross Lyon floating around. At least he will bring some kent to the place
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(06-16-2020, 01:36 AM)deags link Wrote:If we get rid of Teague after one interrupted season, we will be forever more a non entity.
That's not how you change culture. That's going to ruin our club. Hmmm. where have I heard that before?
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(06-16-2020, 01:56 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Yep, Lurking and filling in time in the media, Lyon cant win premierships but he can get teams into finals.
Liddle and crew need finals to justify culling Bolton and if when we lose vs Geelong I think thats probably it for 2020 and heads will drop.
Its set up for Lyon IMO...not a case of if but when...... EFA
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(06-16-2020, 03:27 AM)Hubba link Wrote:What if we are 11 - 0.
What if we are dead last with a percentage under 50
Gold Coast have just gone past us in an offseason.
We have a 20 year history which shows that changing coaches as often as your underwear doesn't work. It all starts with the board. If we are dead last with a % of 50, every board member has to go, not the coach. Systemic, entrenched failure going back decades is not the fault of one man, certainly not in an organisation with many moving parts like a football club. Don't forget the coach isn't even the top man in his own department.
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