CV and mad panic behaviour

[Thryleon]

I think that's a huge stretch to associate Matrons climbing the career ladder with AFL Past Players getting jobs for the boys.

I've a relative who was a "Matron" and became a senior business manager at a major Melbourne Metro hospital, it was a 24x7 job overloaded with bureaucracy and a continual ongoing battle against bean counters putting profit before health care. Business hours, after hours, weekends, holidays, while in transit, 24x7 it never stopped, there was never any clocking off. Her priority was to preserve the level of care, first and foremost, that is the function of hospitals, not creating jobs, not creating profits, not paying bonusses or dividends.

In my opinion she could have left health and earned far more doing a far easier job in corporate or industrial circles, so I've nothing but admiration for those who do this type of work with a relatively extreme workload and usually at far less remuneration than some suited up bureaucrat or executive bean counter.

sounds like a megalomaniac who wouldn't delegate to me.

The hospital runs with or without the executive team.

[LP]

sounds like a megalomaniac who wouldn't delegate to me.

Hard to delegate when the bean counters leave you understaffed.

[Thryleon]

Hard to delegate when the bean counters leave you understaffed.

lp the ones in charge are the ones who dictate how the money is misused.  The bean counters dictate the budget for each department.

At the end of the financial year they all churn through their annual budget spending money on whatever they can, so they don't lose their budget for next year.

What you're implying that business people can't run a business that they aren't subject matter experts in.

I.e.  Kernahan was better equipped to run Carlton than Luke Sayers is.

[LP]

What you're implying that business people can't run a business that they aren't subject matter experts in.

Not at all that conclusion is an assumption you have made.

My perspective is that you are better off being cared for by and under the guidance of a person who exclusively has your health and wellbeing prioritised over profit, rather than someone who is going to be paid a bonus for cutting costs or increasing margin.

Most health managers / executives are not health care workers, they are business people. I know the top person at three different Melb hospitals, through my R&D work on additive printing for replacement hips and cranial caps for cancer or acute injuries, and not one is a doctor or Matron, they are all professional business types mostly that have come out of bureaucracy although one is a former industrial pharmacy executive.

I don't know a Matron on the planet who would accept cutting nursing staffing given the option, they do not do that job for decades first to get were they get by being focussed on finances, and I can't say I ever meet a nurse that got into the gig for the cash!

[Gointocarlton]

sounds like a megalomaniac who wouldn't delegate to me.

The hospital runs with or without the executive team.

Thry I have a female friend who has just left the hospital industry mainly because of (her words not mine) "too many female managers who were utter bitches that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire".
She reckons she will never work for a female manager ever again.

[LP]

Thry I have a female friend who has just left the hospital industry mainly because of (her words not mine) "too many female managers who were utter bitches that I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire".
She reckons she will never work for a female manager ever again.

You do realise females can be corporate psychopaths too, it's not a gender specific or exclusive condition!

A massive problem right at the moment is quotas, the best females are not getting the jobs, because the psychopaths without restraint or morality leverage the politically correct woke quota rules to get jobs they aren't really qualified to do. We saw A-Grade examples of that in the bureaucracy during the pandemic. Once in the henhouse, the psychopath wreaks havoc.

I'm not a fan of quotas is such critical roles, it should be the person who is best suited / qualified to do the job.

[PaulP]

I'd be digging a little deeper before I came to any conclusions based on anecdotes. Myself, my brother, and my wife have all been in the workforce a long time, and we've all had male and female managers (my brother works in the medical industry). Each of us can point to males and females that have been great, and also those that have been lousy.

[madbluboy]

In 2015 my oldest was rushed to the RCH as soon as he was born and spent the first 2 months of his life there.
In 2017 my youngest was rushed to the RCH the day after he was born and spent his first month of his life there and that year a further 2 months from multiple stays.

The hospital then was unbelievable, you couldn't ask for better care.

Last year my youngest spent a week there and my wife and I thought wow this place has slipped a bit, the care not as good as it once was.
Last week he was there again and the care was terrible. They have hardly any nursing staff and the ones that are there don't care.

[Thryleon]

Not at all that conclusion is an assumption you have made.

My perspective is that you are better off being cared for by and under the guidance of a person who exclusively has your health and wellbeing prioritised over profit, rather than someone who is going to be paid a bonus for cutting costs or increasing margin.

Most health managers / executives are not health care workers, they are business people. I know the top person at three different Melb hospitals, through my R&D work on additive printing for replacement hips and cranial caps for cancer or acute injuries, and not one is a doctor or Matron, they are all professional business types mostly that have come out of bureaucracy although one is a former industrial pharmacy executive.

I don't know a Matron on the planet who would accept cutting nursing staffing given the option, they do not do that job for decades first to get were they get by being focussed on finances, and I can't say I ever meet a nurse that got into the gig for the cash!

what?

Ive just stated that hospitals have too many clinical staff in senior leadership positions (nurses run hospitals) and you've argued black and blue against it, just to state im making an assumption about what you're saying. 

Make up your mind.  Clinical people are highly specialised and not well rounded individuals.  Notoriously bad at managing their own finances let alone running a hospital.

I have the utmost respect for them and their profession, BUT, they're road to management is too linear and not rounded enough.

Thats why they make poor business leaders.  You want to tell me why thats wrong or just want to slap off bean counters again?

[shawny]

In 2015 my oldest was rushed to the RCH as soon as he was born and spent the first 2 months of his life there.
In 2017 my youngest was rushed to the RCH the day after he was born and spent his first month of his life there and that year a further 2 months from multiple stays.

The hospital then was unbelievable, you couldn't ask for better care.

Last year my youngest spent a week there and my wife and I thought wow this place has slipped a bit, the care not as good as it once was.
Last week he was there again and the care was terrible. They have hardly any nursing staff and the ones that are there don't care.

Hopefully your kids are all ok now mate.  Nothing worse then when your child needs a stay in hospital.

This state is a shambles on the health care front and while it’s being led by a narcissistic leader with amnesia and party that has again been found to be corrupt to the core sadly all we get is excuses rather then any real plan to improve things. Ambo waiting times have never been so bad. Not a time to have a heart attack or a sick child.