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(03-11-2021, 04:22 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:I have been crook EVERY time I've had it, some worse than others. My wife also has pretty bad reactions. I can't recall getting seriously ill, I know people do, I have got head cold type sniffles a few times and once I had some arm nerve pain but they said that was most likely caused by the needle hitting a nerve and not the vaccine.
Of course injections aren't all the same, and different vaccines require different protocols. Some are subcutaneous while others may be intramuscular, I'm not sure if any vaccines are intravenous but it's possible.
I believe they are now working on a general purpose broad spectrum Coronavirus vaccine that will be a tablet, however, just because it's not an injection doesn't mean it will be safer. However, the plus side is they think it will work for the common cold as well!
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(03-11-2021, 01:46 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:How old is your brother Thry? He's 46.
He described typical Covid symptoms. Fever, sore throat, runny nose. Symptoms persisted for 48 hours and he stayed in bed the whole time except post vaccine without the cough he had when he ruptured the blood vessel in his throat. Has been to hospital twice since November.
(03-11-2021, 02:29 AM)LP link Wrote:And that is the way it has to be for a vaccine to work!
PS: [member=105]Thryleon[/member] asked why they haven't tested his brother for COVID-19, of course just after vaccination, when you start to get an immune reaction you'll have antibodies and of course you'll test positive. So the test is somewhat pointless, they've already given you a light dose, without a count of the viral load which is really only done to those in quarantine or hospital for a confirmed COVID-19 infection they couldn't tell if it was the vaccine or if you coincidentally already had COVID-19.
His ruptured blood vessel in his throat was back in December.
To date, he confirms as having had COVID, and yet never got tested.
They are guessing he had covid because his first hospitalisation wasnt because of COVID, his second might have been, but either way they didnt test him, but confirmed he had it and told him to isolate.
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(03-11-2021, 04:35 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:He's 46.
He described typical Covid symptoms. Fever, sore throat, runny nose. Symptoms persisted for 48 hours and he stayed in bed the whole time except post vaccine without the cough he had when he ruptured the blood vessel in his throat. Has been to hospital twice since November.
His ruptured blood vessel in his throat was back in December.
To date, he confirms as having had COVID, and yet never got tested.
They are guessing he had covid because his first hospitalisation wasnt because of COVID, his second might have been, but either way they didnt test him, but confirmed he had it and told him to isolate. I'm sorry to hear he's not been well, I suppose those actions you describe from the medical staff are just the failsafe defaults for all potential cases.
I wonder if he would be counted in official figures, I heard the other day on radio an epidemiologist from Melbourne Uni stating we only really detect and count about 1/3 of total cases. I presume that would be typical in western societies, the detection rate might be far lower in some locations.
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Possibly.
That doesn't fill many with confidence when they report daily numbers though, considering even the tests have their limitations on accuracy.
If they are counting people with flu like symptoms that dont need hospitalisation as covid positive, then what does that mean for the stats on positive cases?
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(03-11-2021, 04:42 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:^^
Possibly.
That doesn't fill many with confidence when they report daily numbers though, considering even the tests have their limitations on accuracy.
If they are counting people with flu like symptoms that dont need hospitalisation as covid positive, then what does that mean for the stats on positive cases? I don't know [member=105]Thryleon[/member], the infection like most infections is a spectrum, but I'm not sure the accuracy of counting infections impacts the accuracy on the counting of the dead.
Let's hope your brother, and others like him, and now safe in the short and long term. My best friend now volunteers as a Marshall one day per week at a UK football stadium which has been turned into a massive vaccination hub, these are unpaid volunteers, just trying to do the right thing. Relying on the fact they've so far had a single jab to immunise themselves against the worst of COVID. All I can say for their sake and all of us, is that I hope the science works.
There is a difference of course, for us we are unlikely to know anyone who has perished from COVID, over there within his own social circle he knows of dozens, mostly elderly parents or grandparents!
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(03-11-2021, 10:04 PM)DJC link Wrote:And the research says that it’s all good:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...6/fulltext
It does nothing of the sort.
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The actions in the EU are about politics and money, nothing to do with science, efficacy or safety.
The reports use words like "may have' or "associated" to infer causation without stating it, they can't state it because it doesn't exist and they risk litigation if the publish false claims.
They sow doubt without delivering supporting evidence for the allegations they make, and when you point that out, they link you to further articles full of more opinions and zero evidence. You can link to a billion wrong opinions, they are still wrong, but despite being scientifically worthless those opinions are powerful political tools.
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in your opinion.
The whole vaccine thing is about "politics and money".
This whole 'pandemic' could have been dealt with a year ago if the powers that be hadn't sidelined (as they needed to do to get the EUAs) numerous repurposed drug treatments.
You can bleat till the cows come home that HCQ and Ivermectin treatments/protocols don't work but that is BS - as the data clearly shows, if treated before the viral replication process gets in full swing.
Who would have thought to fight an illness early in the cycle ie pre hospitalisation?! Madness. 
Fauci and his clowns knew about this since 2005.
And Fauci has form with HIV/AIDS - almost the same play sheet.
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