CV and mad panic behaviour

[Gointocarlton]

I tend to blame ScoMo more than Andrews, he pushed for a reopening due to the economic effects and Andrews was forced to comply after being the Jacinda Ardern of Australia and enforcing the tightest lockdown of all states.
Speaking of Ardern she nailed it with stage 4 from late March and NZ have had 17 days with no cases, its the only proven way with no vaccine and both Victoria and NSW need to adopt same for a couple of months at least.
We cant be opening, locking down, opening, locking down and repeating the cycle, we need to go hard now and the economy is going to have to get worse and yes we will pay for it later but thats the scenario IMO.

With a population of only 4.9M (less than QLD), it wasn't exactly that hard a call to make.

[Gointocarlton]

NEVER reward bad behaviour Baggers.  Fines should be tripled and damn well enforced and NO exceptions.

People are assholes CC. I saw last night on TV Vic Pol officers trying to issue fines and the reply from the Miss Parasite was "under what law are you issuing the fine?" to which the the copper replied something like "under the Health Officers direction.." to which the silly mole replied something like "thats a directive not law". See under G2C law, at that point my policing career and freedom would have ended right there with the use of a baseball bat across the forehead. I always say, God Bless the Police Officers of this country for the patience and restraint they show when having to deal with imbeciles like that.

[cookie2]

We definitely need anti-dickhead legislation ?

[Baggers]

People are assholes CC. I saw last night on TV Vic Pol officers trying to issue fines and the reply from the Miss Parasite was "under what law are you issuing the fine?" to which the the copper replied something like "under the Health Officers direction.." to which the silly mole replied something like "thats a directive not law". See under G2C law, at that point my policing career and freedom would have ended right there with the use of a baseball bat across the forehead. I always say, God Bless the Police Officers of this country for the patience and restraint they show when having to deal with imbeciles like that.

Exactly. It's one of the points I've been attempting to make... expecting the general public to understand the quarantine benefits and rules is for too many nigh on impossible. They will just not co-operate for a variety of reasons. And in a city of 4+ million people that is dynamite.

Oh, and I get your frustration but getting angry at the difficult ones and giving them one to go on with only plays right into their hands...

Then there are the media mixed messages/opinions... the bloke across the road from us turned up late last week trying to stay in his holiday home once the lockdown was in force... lasted one day before the constabulary sent him packing. I had a brief chat with him (good bloke, except for this episode... Aussie, 60s) and he started quoting Bolt and what he wrote as his excuse for coming to his holiday home... that was my cue to politely remember that Mrs Baggers needed some help!

With a population of only 4.9M (less than QLD), it wasn't exactly that hard a call to make.

But she did make the call and it wasn't popular. She had plenty of opposition but had the guts to enforce it...

[Gointocarlton]

Exactly. It's one of the points I've been attempting to make... expecting the general public to understand the quarantine benefits and rules is for too many nigh on impossible. They will just not co-operate for a variety of reasons. And in a city of 4+ million people that is dynamite.

Oh, and I get your frustration but getting angry at the difficult ones and giving them one to go on with only plays right into their hands...

Then there are the media mixed messages/opinions... the bloke across the road from us turned up late last week trying to stay in his holiday home once the lockdown was in force... lasted one day before the constabulary sent him packing. I had a brief chat with him (good bloke, except for this episode... Aussie, 60s) and he started quoting Bolt and what he wrote as his excuse for coming to his holiday home... that was my cue to politely remember that Mrs Baggers needed some help!

But she did make the call and it wasn't popular. She had plenty of opposition but had the guts to enforce it...

Youre a good man Baggers, would have been on like Donkey Kong if that was me.
If our population was similar to NZ's, I reckon we would have made the same call here in Oz, unpopular or not. The difficulty in handling this horrible problem is not lost me one bit, I just reckon a couple of key decisions here and there have gone the wrong way and could have made a difference now. Whether or not it costs Comrade Dan votes and a job remains to be seen.

[cookie2]

What could be worse than publicly minded people who trying to do the right thing seeing dickheads get away with flouting the guidelines? Allow that and you have zero credibility.

[LP]

Cynically, some might think that the Kiwis who were likely to cause NZ lots of COVID trouble were mostly here, which granted is only a small wannabe portion of the total Expat Kiwis living here.

Some might be forgiven for thinking that at the moment the NZ bureaucrats are primarily legal specialists, given how much time they spend in the courts fighting hard to prevent ScoMo from sending the more nefarious types back!

Not that I'm cynical about some of those humanitarian calls our Cross Ditch Cousins (CDC) are making!

[ElwoodBlues1]

With a population of only 4.9M (less than QLD), it wasn't exactly that hard a call to make.

I'd argue Australia follows the USA and NZ do their own thing...ScoMo overpaid jobkeeper etc and wanted the country back to work because the debt was piling up and didnt want to lose the triple A credit rating.

[LP]

You'll start to notice that News Ltd rags are gradually demoting / diminishing the number of COVID-19 reports from the front pages, they may even post small editorials claiming they are doing so because of concern regarding the public mental health.

But the truth is that reporting the COVID-19 numbers doesn't sit well with the News Ltd corporate policy, and some of those on the inside at News Ltd are not happy about it, as such they have developed a few leaks.

[LP]

Looks like HCQ has finally bit the dust as a useful COVID-19 treatment.

The professional researchers are tearing the retrospective meta-data drug studies a new one as data from all the big person science starts to come in!

There is a strong possibility some or all uses of other anti-viral drugs will go the same way, nearly all of them have been proposed out of retrospective meta-data analysis, which means none of the publish reports are based on randomised and controlled trials, and all of those studies are completely retrospectively observational. The problem is that in the retrospective studies the reason for giving HCQ(or any other drug), combined with the method of selecting the patients, basically introduces a biased which delivers the drug a booster result.

Many such 'cures" are promoted for use due to political issues rather than drug efficacy.

This leaves, shock horror, the two most useful tools in the COVID-19 fight as Remdesivir and PCR, the two things the health professionals have turned to from day one!

- No Remdesivir doesn't implant chips in your veins or your brain.

- Yes, despite not being 100% accurate, PCR is still the most accurate diagnostic method we have but it's slow (2-3 days) and costly per test.