2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

[blue4life]

I'll give you one to explain...." we will be defined by pressure"...............

Yeah, that confuses most people I reckon.
That aside I don't know what people expect the coach to say after a heavy loss, he's not about to come out and say that his players are hopeless or that he's hopeless, all he can do is try and stay positive and keep whacking away at it.
Realistically we were always going to lose yesterday's game, so when we lost Simpson and three players during the game a 60 point loss shouldn't really surprise anyone.
I'll reserve my judgement on Bolton's ability as a coach until he's got something like a full list.

[PaulP]

Yeah, that confuses most people I reckon.
That aside I don't know what people expect the coach to say after a heavy loss, he's not about to come out and say that his players are hopeless or that hevs hopeless, all he can do is try and stay positive and keep whacking away at it.
Realistically we were always going to lose yesterday's game, so when we lost Simpson and three players during the game a 60 point loss shouldn't really surprise anyone.
I'll reserve my judgement on Bolton's ability as a coach until he's got something like a full list.

Agree.

[Baggers]

I'll give you one to explain...." we will be defined by pressure"...............

Well that's a fail. How about something easier, like, "We will be defined by how nice we are and our attendance record..." Or, "We will be defined by the persistence of our cliches..."

[sandsmere]

Yeah, that confuses most people I reckon.
That aside I don't know what people expect the coach to say after a heavy loss, he's not about to come out and say that his players are hopeless or that he's hopeless, all he can do is try and stay positive and keep whacking away at it.
Realistically we were always going to lose yesterday's game, so when we lost Simpson and three players during the game a 60 point loss shouldn't really surprise anyone.
I'll reserve my judgement on Bolton's ability as a coach until he's got something like a full list.

Yep! Me too.

[LP]

Yep! Me too.

It's clearly an accurate statement, we fold under pressure!

That's pretty definitive! :o

[madbluboy]

Watched some footage on one of the foxtel shows after the Freo debacle and it showed one example of how they were able to get free players running inside 50.

The commentators at the time just called us lazy and we probably were on here too but it was actually the opposite.

Paddy Dow made a mistake and ran hard from half back to help put pressure on a player on the wing but in doing so he left a big hole in our zone which they took advantage of.

It wasn't our lazy players or even bad coaching but just a first year player making a mistake.

[cookie2]

Our guys are having great trouble working out how to play the zones. Liam Jones is a prime example and has been shown several times leaving huge gaps with opposition players then taking advantage. I guess it comes down to nous and judgement, both of which seem lacking at times. BB seems to want to persist with this game plan though and I guess the learning will continue to be painful.

[madbluboy]

Our guys are having great trouble working out how to play the zones. Liam Jones is a prime example and has been shown several times leaving huge gaps with opposition players then taking advantage. I guess it comes down to nous and judgement, both of which seem lacking at times. BB seems to want to persist with this game plan though and I guess the learning will continue to be painful.

Actually I forgot to add Jones had to leave his man because of Dow's error.  We all would have blamed Jones but our zone was already broken and is probably the reason why Jones finds himself in that situation.

[LP]

Actually I forgot to add Jones had to leave his man because of Dow's error.  We all would have blamed Jones but our zone was already broken and is probably the reason why Jones finds himself in that situation.

Agree, it's not Jones or Weitering, at the game it's clear, watching off the TV the person in shot gets the blame. And whatever you do do not listen to the radio, they don't even get the player names correct!

Get some wide angle views of the opposition kicking into our F50 and you'll see a Carlton defender corralled by 3 or 4 opponents and not another Carlton player in sight. It's why I was so disappointed with BB's weekend comments, he was blaming the defense, maybe he meant the defensive structure or efforts from mids or forwards, but it came across like BB was pointing the finger at Jones, Weitering and others in D50. Our defenders cannot fix the problem when they are often outnumbered 2:1.

FFS, a mate who was at the ground tells me at one stage the Lions got the ball and started heading down the wing into our D50 being chased by Carlton players. One of our chasers gave up the chase, took a right run on the wing and headed to the bench!

[PaulP]

A zone defense or zones all over the ground is more brains than brawn, and require each and every player to understand their role and stick with it. Man on man is more meat and potatoes. Adopting zones in defense or elsewhere has merit - the outcome is less determined by one on one battles (ideal if you don't have the right match ups in key areas), it helps to spread the risk, and also can mean less running, especially helpful for youngsters or the aerobically challenged.

The problem is it only takes one error of judgment, or injuries to key personnel, for it to fall apart.