2018 Rd 6: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

[LP]

How many players from the 2016 GF took the field last night ?

I think they had exactly 1/2, but reality is they fielded the average youngest side this season, and it was naive for BB to use our youth as an excuse!

I thought BB post-match analysis was accurate, the problems were clear and he identified them.

[deags]

How many players from the 2016 GF took the field last night ?

They said 11 on the broadcast

[ElwoodBlues1]

BB was a bit naive in the post match presser, he used age and experience as a reason for the troubles, but we were just beaten by a younger less experienced side as CheatsFC TV liked to remind us!

Yep , obviously his  scouts or assistants didnt fill him in on the young dogs team...five players with less than 10 games...he should stick with what he does best and thats cliches and avoid the facts...

[PaulP]

They showed us, looked like more than half the team was missing.

I think they had exactly 1/2, but reality is they fielded the average youngest side this season, and it was naive for BB to use our youth as an excuse!

I thought BB post-match analysis was accurate, the problems were clear and he identified them.

They said 11 on the broadcast

Thanks gents. That's still 10 more than us, and IMO counts for a lot. Adding up each player's age and taking an average can give a distorted view of the age profile.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Need to sort things out at the MC level first.

I'd drop SPS.  Retaining him means accepting half arsed efforts and he currently isn't on. He should be in the coaches office first thing Monday getting it served to him.

I'd drop SOS.  He won't make it in his guise as a mark and kick forward, essentially a redundant role. He doesn't provide enough pressure,  neither does Lamb.  Players of his ilk need a dominant midfield which we don't have.  He needs to find a different role.  As a third year player he's had a fair lick of the ice cream,  his list spot is under pressure.

Mullet has played six putrid games, must be dropped.  Play Shaw (gulp)  or Schumacher. Can't get it,  can't dispose of it.

OShea is not up to par, as for above. 

Kennedy really worries me... His lack of ability to spread, the way he lumbered around.... Surely he showed more ability at GWS than what he has shown this year?

Cunningham must play every game from here on in.

Surprised we cut Boekhorst given our abject lack of outside run.

Hard to argue, I'd play more kids and try and find a couple that can play.....Mullet and OShea are VFL only, Kennedy is injured or came from GWS with an injury and looks like he needs a month off at least and games in the VFL to get fit...Cuningham should never have been dropped, Jack may be our Jason Cloke on route to getting us our Trav Cloke brother Ben...he is slow and cant be played if you play Mckay, Boult and Charlie down forward..you add Wright and its not quick enough for modern footy. Wright is a good footballer and smart but he isnt quick...

[LP]

Thanks gents. That's still 10 more than us, and IMO counts for a lot. Adding up each player's age and taking an average can give a distorted view of the age profile.

Professional teams would take advantage of that inexperience, about a 1/4 of their team had less than 10 games!

It wasn't a good night for our MC or Coaching panel, not purely because of the tactics, in fact I think if not for our unforced errors we may well have won. I think if we'd had SpecialK and Murphy we would have certainly won. But we certainly failed to expose the Dogs youth, in this regard we failed.

A few of us have been shouted down on here about MC selections, McKay, SoJ, O'Shea, why it took so long to play Kerridge, how can it be Kerr isn't getting a run. I wonder what the naysayers think after last night?

Young SoJ is becoming a real problem for us, we have his back apparently, perhaps because of his dad he's getting games he does not deserve! Opposition teams have identified his opponent as a gateway for lots of their ball movement, that is a tell. He's lost that strength and aggression he showed in the first couple of years, if he is carrying an injury how can he develop under those circumstances, if he mentally shot what are we trying to do to him?

Can anyone seriously look me in the face and tell me that if Kerr come in he'd be less effective?

[Meddy43]

So what do we do with our “non- tryers”? We can’t drop half the side. I don’t know how do we get in their heads and shake them up so they really put in.
I know skill are also an issues. How do we fix this also? Coaches can only do so much, but these guys are professionals. I know for some of the younger guys they are still very much developing into AFL players, but we need the older heads to set the standard.
I know these questions have been asked over and over but I’m trying to put it together in my head.

My young fella, nearly 7, has shown a real interest in watching games on Tele with me this year. Stayed up to watch last night but fell asleep by half time haha. Same against the filth a few weeks ago. He does have a soft spot for the Bulldogs, cos he likes dogs, and last night he said to me “Dad I don’t want to upset you but I wish we were born Bulldogs supporters not Blues supporters”. It was an innocent comment from the mouth of a child but I couldn’t help but feel slightly crushed haha. The first thing he asked me this morning was who won and he was so disappointed when I told him that the Blues had lost.
I am a patient person and I trust in the process that we are currently going through. I just hope we come good before he’s old enough to make his own decisions. Already this year my brother, a supporter of more than 30 years, has jumped ship. To the scum. THE SCUM!! And he’s now a paid up member! I mean how? I don’t understand.

Anyway this is the longest post I’ve ever dropped.

Go Blues, let’s keep our heads up. Keep supporting and trust that we are in the right path.

[Baggers]

Thanks gents. That's still 10 more than us, and IMO counts for a lot. Adding up each player's age and taking an average can give a distorted view of the age profile.

I seldom if ever take this stat seriously, or of influence. Very young sides have won Premierships and sides with senior blokes bristling with experience have flopped badly.

One constant for success -- look at the Pussycats/Fluffy Ducks/Dawks/Tiggers -- is a core group of about 15/16 blokes playing together week in, week out.

We've got about 5 very important blokes out at present, which means about 5 blokes are getting games by default. When that changes, I reckon we'll get a much better idea of where we are at. But the clock is ticking... loudly...

[IvanAwfulbigone]

So sick of our deplorable skills.

Can’t kick, can’t handball. Couple of players can mark ok. Not bl00dy acceptable. WB won a premiership on the back of slick handball WHICH THEY OBVIOUSLY PRACTICED.

FMD, can we go back to dragging a player from the field if he misses a target or doesn’t stick a tackle or whatever? Drag them from the frikkin’ field and give them a bake over the phone. Screw this new age approach where we don’t want to dent their confidence or hurt their feelings. What about OUR feelings?

The way I see it, we have 3 players at an acceptable professional AFL standard. The rest are frauds.

[laj]

I think they had exactly 1/2, but reality is they fielded the average youngest side this season, and it was naive for BB to use our youth as an excuse!

I thought BB post-match analysis was accurate, the problems were clear and he identified them.

Actually, take Simpson out and we're younger. Not that it means much.