2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood

[LP]

B: Byrne, Jones, O'Shea
Hb: Cuningham, Marchbank, Simpson
C: Fisher, Cripps, E.Curnow
Hf: Plowman, C.Curnow, Murphy
F: Wright, Casboult, Garlett
Foll: Kreuzer, Kennedy
Rov: Petrevski-Seton
I/c: Dow, Thomas, Polson, Mullett

If Kreuzer and Kennedy don't get up?

[cookie2]

I don't agree, all senior players are role models, and young players learn playing along side them you cannot deny that!

I have no doubt Lobbe is setting new standards on the training track, which was the context of the earlier discussion, it's what he is globally known for in AFL circles.

Different emphasis for different circumstances? Sorry, your argument loses credibility. I will waste no further time discussing it with you.

[Pratty]

If Kreuzer and Kennedy don't get up?

We may be on struggle street again.

If Kreuzer is not right, then we have to play a ruckman - Lobbe or Phillips.

If Kennedy doesn't get up, I'd consider Kerridge or Graham.

[LP]

Different emphasis for different circumstances? Sorry, your argument loses credibility. I will waste no further time discussing it with you.

All senior players are role models, there is no different emphasis for different circumstances or situations, I do not know where you think you've read that.

I'm not sure where you have made a connect between Lobbe as ruckmen being a role model to our young KPFs. If you can find the post that references that I'm happy to stand corrected, but I think you'll find any discussions from me regarding Lobbe would have been in reference to rucks and training.

All senior players have to bring something to the table to contribute to the development of kids, just as the coaches and training staff do, if they don't they are a waste of space and have no place in the club!

There is this KPF/Ruck Merry-Go-Round that Casboult's boosters live on, maybe that is where you are getting confused! You know those arguments well, one says he is a KPF when he has a bad ruck day, the alternative is that he's a useful 2nd Ruck when he spuds it up inside F50!

My argument is pretty simple, he is not much value at either, and it's holding us back!

[Lods]

What is the measure of effective? Able to contribute 1 - 2 goals per game? Able to pinch hit in the ruck? Perhaps able to swing back in defence?

His name is Rowe ;D

[cookie2]

All senior players are role models, there is no different emphasis for different circumstances or situations, I do not know where you think you've read that.

I'm not sure where you have made a connect between Lobbe as ruckmen being a role model to our young KPFs. If you can find the post that references that I'm happy to stand corrected, but I think you'll find any discussions regarding Lobbe would have been in reference to rucks and training.

All senior players have to bring something to the table to contribute to the development of kids, just as the coaches and training staff do, if they don't they are a waste of space and have no place in the club!

There is this KPF/Ruck Merry-go-Round that Casboult's boosters live on, maybe that is where you are getting confused! You know those arguments well, one says he is a KPF when he has a bad ruck day, the alternative is that he's a useful 2nd Ruck when he spuds it up inside F50!

My argument is pretty simple, he is not much value at either!

So what half intelligent young AFL footballer would consider him a role model then?? I'm sure they are guided by the coaching staff as to the players who they need to study and learn from? This would not be left purely to chance.? By your measure, Levi would be hardly one those they are lining up to learn from then? 

No, sorry, hatred is driving you to persist with this one I'm afraid LP. EOS.

[LP]

So what half intelligent young AFL footballer would consider him a role model then??

If the kids pick up bad habits from an 8 or 10 year player, is it the kids fault?

Why did we get rid of Mitch Robinson, his football is clearly good enough, different emphasis for different circumstances?

I'm sure they are guided by the coaching staff as to the players who they need to study and learn from?  This would not be left purely to chance?

Are you implying none of our coaches would point to Casboult as a role model, is this an argument for me or against me?

By your measure, Levi would be hardly one those they are lining up to learn from then? 

Then way is he there Cookie2?

[deags]

I wouldn't be rushing to drop Lamb.
He wasn't too bad last week, and ditto the week before. Others more worthy of demotion than he is.
He is one of the only players in the side who offers genuine aggression as well. We need that, lest we become punching bags.

[blueray]

After Saturdays debacle, nowhere have i seen any blame set upon our match committee. The game was lost at the selection table way  before the the ball was even bounced so blaming players is a little unfair. The balance of the team was poor and we never stood a chance. On top of this we hit an in form GC which admittedly after watching them live, they will worry many teams this year. Plenty of hard bodies too against slighter frames. Great warm weather was on their side too so it was a perfect storm for us as a team.
We just weren't ready on Saturday and feel we would have learnt plenty both on and off field.
Your thoughts

[LP]

After Saturdays debacle, nowhere have i seen any blame set upon our match committee. The game was lost at the selection table way  before the the ball was even bounced so blaming players is a little unfair. The balance of the team was poor and we never stood a chance. On top of this we hit an in form GC which admittedly after watching them live, they will worry many teams this year. Plenty of hard bodies too against slighter frames. Great warm weather was on their side too so it was a perfect storm for us as a team.
We just weren't ready on Saturday and feel we would have learnt plenty both on and off field.
Your thoughts

In fairness to the forum Blueray, I think if you browse through the post match thread you'll find the odd criticism of the MC scattered here and there!

But of course the faceless men never cop the same amount of heat as the front line actors.