Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper?

[madbluboy]

Not all punches are equal. Defense and ring generalship come into it. I post on an american boxing board and they all hate Mundine because of the 9/11 comments. Not one person had Green winning.

[kruddler]

I'm not suggesting that Mundine won but there are some anomalies.  The referee who scored the fight 98-90 for Green seems to have been watching a different fight. He also gave Green 10 points for the round in which he was penalised a point for elbowing.

Which round was Green done for elbowing?

I was watching via illegal facebook feed, and it dropped out briefly a couple of times.

Sure, you can get a round wrong every now and then, but ultimately, the end result was the correct one IMO.

[kruddler]

Not all punches are equal. Defense and ring generalship come into it. I post on an american boxing board and they all hate Mundine because of the 9/11 comments. Not one person had Green winning.

My issue with Mundines fight was that he was constantly looking for the counterpunch. He had his right hand cocked the whole fight, but almost never threw it.
If you lose a point in the first round, and are pretty convincingly losing the earlier rounds, you need to be seen to be more aggressive and force the judges to think who deserves the points.

I don't know what he was waiting for, but even in the last round he didn't seem aggressive enough to me. Perhaps he thought he was winning the whole fight and was trying to save it? I dunno, but punching stats show that while you could potentially try and make a case for him, it is far from convincing.

[DJC]

Which round was Green done for elbowing?

Seven.

[madbluboy]

My issue with Mundines fight was that he was constantly looking for the counterpunch. He had his right hand cocked the whole fight, but almost never threw it.
If you lose a point in the first round, and are pretty convincingly losing the earlier rounds, you need to be seen to be more aggressive and force the judges to think who deserves the points.

I don't know what he was waiting for, but even in the last round he didn't seem aggressive enough to me. Perhaps he thought he was winning the whole fight and was trying to save it? I dunno, but punching stats show that while you could potentially try and make a case for him, it is far from convincing.

Boxing has a very flawed scoring system in that one fighter can dominate and win 5 rounds by a wide margin and lose 7 rounds by a razor close margin and correctly lose the fight.

Also casual fans tend to favour the aggressor because they have less appreciation for the defensive aspect of the sport. Floyd Mayweather v Manny Pacquiao was a perfect example of this, I'm a big Pacquiao fan but he clearly lost a one sided fight but on facebook thousands of people were outraged calling it a robbery and that Mayweather was running.

I scored the Mundine Green fight round by rounds but I lost my bit of paper. (We have just had another baby who also has been in the children's hospital.) I will rescore the fight again when I get time.

[kruddler]

Seven.

Yep, missed most of that round.  :-[

[kruddler]

Boxing has a very flawed scoring system in that one fighter can dominate and win 5 rounds by a wide margin and lose 7 rounds by a razor close margin and correctly lose the fight.

Flawed system? Perhaps. But the system has been in place forever and a day and fighters, smart fighters, take advantage of that system.

If you're in front early - hold on.
If you're behind early - take more chances to try and claw back the margin

To me, it was classic playing for points and Mundine didn't do enough to win back those points that Green won early on. The reason i bring up being aggressive is for this fact. I know Mundine had a lot of the fight on his terms....but again, Green was allowing that to happen as long as he didn't get knocked out. He was playing for points. Which he did successfully.

[DJC]

We have just had another baby who also has been in the children's hospital.

That's for more important than the results of a boxing match MBB!

Congratulations and best wishes for a speedy resolution of the hospital issues.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Green throws a lot of leather, it can look impressive even when none of it hits its target or is blocked...Mundine is a counter puncher, he doesnt have a lot behind his punches either and even when he counters and connects its more about getting the points than trying to be overly damaging.
I dislike Mundine and his attitude and am a Green supporter but I  thought Mundine threw less punches but more of his hit their mark all be it without much fanfare but if they connect you have to score it and I felt the ref's didnt give him enough points for the times he caught Green clearly.
I would have my money on Mundine in a rematch....points decision..

[kruddler]

Green throws a lot of leather, it can look impressive even when none of it hits its target or is blocked...Mundine is a counter puncher, he doesnt have a lot behind his punches either and even when he counters and connects its more about getting the points than trying to be overly damaging.
I dislike Mundine and his attitude and am a Green supporter but I  thought Mundine threw less punches but more of his hit their mark all be it without much fanfare but if they connect you have to score it and I felt the ref's didnt give him enough points for the times he caught Green clearly.
I would have my money on Mundine in a rematch....points decision..

Did you see the punch stats from the fight?

Green certainly did throw more than Mundine....but Green landed more too. Even landed more 'power punches'.