+- Carlton Supporters Club (http://new.carltonsc.com)
+-- Forum: Around The Grounds (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-7.html)
+--- Forum: The Sports Desk (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-27.html)
+--- Thread: Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper? (/thread-3112.html)
Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper? - LP - 02-04-2017
It's sad reading and listening to the rhetoric today about the recent battle of the prehistoric mammals. It seemed to me to be a sub-standard fight that was akin to two past-it bulls reliving the old days.
But even more disturbing for me is the result, the reason for the result, and the subsequent complaining.
A deliberate cheap shot taken early in the match, well outside the spirit of good sportsmanship, designed to level the playing field. Should not be rewarded with victory. It seems one of the three judges thought so, and despite Mundine finishing the match in better physical condition he should not have been rewarded for what I see as deliberate cheating.
Even sadder, old beaten around the ring boxers coming out and joining the chorus. They discount the bad behaviour and only care about the outcome.
Perhaps Mundine got the physical victory, but it does matter how you get a win! If that isn't the case the next person to fight him should feel free to take a shovel the ring and end him at the first bell!
Re: Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper? - madbluboy - 02-04-2017
Mundine won the fight.
Re: Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper? - LP - 02-04-2017
(02-04-2017, 01:39 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Mundine won the fight.
Should he have been disqualified in the first round?
Re: Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper? - madbluboy - 02-04-2017
(02-04-2017, 01:45 AM)LP link Wrote:Should he have been disqualified in the first round?
Under the rules the answer is no but I believe that the rules should be stronger.
Re: Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper? - LP - 02-04-2017
(02-04-2017, 01:51 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Under the rules the answer is no but I believe that the rules should be stronger.
Was it a coward punch in the first 30s that allowed Mundine to stay in the match for eight rounds?
Re: Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper? - shawny - 02-04-2017
(02-04-2017, 01:39 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Mundine won the fight.
Not in my opinion.
I couldn't be happier.......whats better then seeing Mundine lose... watching his face when he was certain like many others that he won the fight.
.......oh well ;DAnd for those who say Green was lucky, look again at Mundine's illegal punch which clearly concussed Green in the opening round and ask yourself honestly was that handled correctly by the ref ??
As a min Green should have received a 5 min medical time out, but no Green is then forced to his corner and still concussed forced to battle the next 9 rounds at half the awareness he would have had because of an illegal hook to the jaw. The fact all they did was deduct 1 single point just shows how rigged and farcical the boxing caper has become. I was certain when i watched his legs failing under him Mundine had the fight. But Mundine still couldn't drop Green and he was was still up after 10 rounds. His victory speech when he asked the crowd to cheer for Mundine shows the difference between these 2 characters.
And what did Mundine do - he took off out of the ring, without showing an ounce of respect for his opponent.
Should form a friendship with Kyrgios in his retirement - they would get along very well.
Re: Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper? - laj - 02-04-2017
(02-04-2017, 01:28 AM)LP link Wrote:It's sad reading and listening to the rhetoric today about the recent battle of the prehistoric mammals. It seemed to me to be a sub-standard fight that was akin to two past-it bulls reliving the old days.
But even more disturbing for me is the result, the reason for the result, and the subsequent complaining.
A deliberate cheap shot taken early in the match, well outside the spirit of good sportsmanship, designed to level the playing field. Should not be rewarded with victory. It seems one of the three judges thought so, and despite Mundine finishing the match in better physical condition he should not have been rewarded for what I see as deliberate cheating.
Even sadder, old beaten around the ring boxers coming out and joining the chorus. They discount the bad behaviour and only care about the outcome.
Perhaps Mundine got the physical victory, but it does matter how you get a win! If that isn't the case the next person to fight him should feel free to take a shovel the ring and end him at the first bell!
Wasn't deliberate cheating. The referee, while breaking the fighters, didn't actually come between them to break them, hence Mundine may not have picked that up coming out of half a headlock. It was basically a late punch and he duly got deducted a point but it wasn't a a deliberate cheap shot. Green certainly didn't see it as a deliberate cheap shot.
Felt Mundine won reasonably comfortably but after a great rivalry 1-1 isn't a bad result.
Re: Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper? - LP - 02-04-2017
I'll post what I think, then leave this debate.
I'm a big fan of boxing, a long term fan, and I've seen a lot of very ordinary things happen in the ring. But that coward punch was as bad as any, and the way the rest of the match proceeded was as bad as any.
Pretty much all of Green's good work on deriding the coward punch was unravelled by the likes of Fenech and Michael coming out and rallying behind Mundine's victory claim, it's a disgrace.
In my opinion Mundine should be banned from boxing, if he is allowed to box again, and if the boxing authorities don't take a serious stance. Then boxing should be banned in Australia, and it hurts me to write that, but I'd take the same stance in MMA, UFC, or any other contact sport so I must not be a hypocrit!
PS: I don't accept any excuses for Mundine, he was looking straight at the referee prior to the separation and punch, he isn't some green horn or newbie. Mundine new exactly what he was doing, it was deliberate, cowardly and cheap plain and simple.
Re: Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper? - laj - 02-04-2017
(02-04-2017, 02:09 AM)LP link Wrote:I'll post what I think, then leave this debate.
I'm a big fan of boxing, a long term fan, and I've seen a lot of very ordinary things happen in the ring. But that coward punch was as bad as any, and the way the rest of the match proceeded was as bad as any.
Pretty much all of Green's good work on deriding the coward punch was unravelled by the likes of Fenech and Michael coming out and rallying behind Mundine's victory claim, it's a disgrace.
In my opinion Mundine should be banned from boxing, if he is allowed to box again, and if the boxing authorities don't take a serious stance. Then boxing should be banned in Australia, and it hurts me to write that, but I'd take the same stance in MMA, UFC, or any other contact sport so I must not be a hypocrit!
PS: I don't accept any excuses for Mundine, he was looking straight at the referee prior to the separation and punch, he isn't some green horn or newbie. Mundine new exactly what he was doing, it was deliberate, cowardly and cheap plain and simple.
I don't care what you accept, wouldn't take it seriously anyway. Sometimes you can really dribble crap.
Have another look then. It was a late shot but certainly not deliberately late as they were tied up in a clinch. Any idiot knows that.
Re: Mundine - Green, should cheats prosper? - madbluboy - 02-04-2017
(02-04-2017, 01:57 AM)LP link Wrote:Was it a coward punch in the first 30s that allowed Mundine to stay in the match for eight rounds?
They fought a decade ago in their primes and Mundine thrashed him. I don't like him but he is a better boxer than Danny Green.