AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

[kruddler]

But didn't control it enough. K, I'm with you, I agree... but I'm looking at it from the umps POV.

But, really, in the totality of it all, it's a non issue. Ultimately, it would not have mattered whether that mark was paid and he goaled. We were an embarrassment. Confused and bereft of spirit.

Overall it didn't matter, but it was when we had all the momentum and would've continued that. Instead it halted it.

Not sure how you can say he didn't control it.
It never hit the ground. Nobody else touched it. Its a mark.

[DJC]

Docherty is a midfielder and Williams plays as a forward. They actually used O.Hollands down back

Docherty played in defence for most of the game.  If you start on the defensive 50 when there’s 6-6-6, you’re a defender and Docherty was one of our seven defender rotation.

Ollie was an extra behind the ball.  He was nominally a forward but went back into defence after the centre bounces. 

Williams played most of the game as a forward but also spent time in defence.  That may just have been him helping out but it seemed to me that he was playing on a Brisbane forward.

[DJC]

Overall it didn't matter, but it was when we had all the momentum and would've continued that. Instead it halted it.

Not sure how you can say he didn't control it.
It never hit the ground. Nobody else touched it. Its a mark.

Yes, that was a very poor decision.  The umpire guessed that Harry hadn’t taken it cleanly and that is bad umpiring.

Harry probably should have been paid another mark earlier in the game.  He held it until a late spoil and they’re usually paid.

Not that it would have changed the result … but you never know ?

[Thryleon]

Yes, that was a very poor decision.  The umpire guessed that Harry hadn’t taken it cleanly and that is bad umpiring.

Harry probably should have been paid another mark earlier in the game.  He held it until a late spoil and they’re usually paid.

Not that it would have changed the result … but you never know ?

they let two holding the balls go in our forward 50 too.  One was a swing and a miss.  The other was a complete dropping the ball.  Play on.

They paid one against us though.

[tex]

Apart from Harrys mark which they didn't pay.

? Let It Go, Elsa

[pinot]

Off topic a bit -
I’ve actually noticed this finals series that the umpires are now calling the game correctly, and in line with supporters and communities expectation.
So it’s interesting that they actually do know how to call the game.

Good call - umpires have been fantastic back end of year

[Baggers]

Overall it didn't matter, but it was when we had all the momentum and would've continued that. Instead it halted it.

Not sure how you can say he didn't control it.
It never hit the ground. Nobody else touched it. Its a mark.

To suggest that had that mark been paid we would have continued with the momentum and possibly won the game, is just too much of a stretch for me. You might be right, we'll never know. But it sure did look like Brisvegas were by far the better side.

[kruddler]

To suggest that had that mark been paid we would have continued with the momentum and possibly won the game, is just too much of a stretch for me. You might be right, we'll never know. But it sure did look like Brisvegas were by far the better side.

I don't think I ever said we'd win the game.
In fact the opposite.
I said overall it probably didn't matter.....to the result.
Just saying it was at an important time where we had the momentum and we lost it at that point.

[LP]

None of the umpiring has an effect of the result in such a thorough shellacking, the umpiring is generally the same for both sides.

But, it does change the spectacle for fans and viewers, which seems to be the point most media commentary is missing completely.

No doubt, that if there is even a slight differential in a close game, a close game being the point of difference, that the umpires can influence the result.

[sleeper]

Here are my notes from the I50 I counted (by I50 I mean every time the ball cross the 50m line in our fwd half)
Q1 I50 Pitto spilled mark
Q1 I50 Kemp kick in to Big O who Int marks
Q1 I50 Cripps kick in to Big O who Int marks
Q1 I50 Acres kicks a grubber, TO straigh back out. First I50 in 8 min
Q1 I50 Kennedy kick in, H drops the mark,  Williams gathers from Cripps, snaps across the face OOB
Q1 I50 Cripps kicks in,  gathered and cleared by Bris def
Q1 I50 Hewett kicks in, Motlop fumbles, Wiliams to H who is  tackled drops ball, Bris clear
Q1 I50 Acres kicks in, Andrews intercepts and 50m pen
Qtr time 0.0.0
Q2 I50 Gov kicks in, Hewett gathers snaps short intercepted
Q2 I50 Acres to H, drops the mark, Kemp gathers
Q2 I50 Hewett I50 Walsh, H and Kennedy get in each others way, Kennedy marks gives to H who snaps ootf misses by 20m
Q2 I50 Hew I50 kemp gathers snaps acrros the face  ootf
Q2 I50 Cowan kicks in, 35 for Bris interecpts ( H out pointed)
Q2 I50 Acres from a passageof play  I50, kicks over the head of Williams and goes OOB.Throw in, Pitto fumbes Bris take it away
Q2 I50 Lij I50 from a stoppage,  H flies drops the mark, Zorko gathers and clears to Bris player
Q2 I50 Acres from a free for a trip I50, punched down to ground, Bris gathers and clears
Q2 I50 From a Cent Clear, Doc gathers, kicks I50 looking for Durdin, Z\orko intercepts
Q2 I50 Cerra i50 from the stoppage, Fantasia runs on, Zorko clears out
Q2 I50 Cripps free kick on the wing, kicks I50, comes straight out again
Q2 I50 Williams kicks i50 to 2 Bris defenders, ball spills, Durdin gathers, gives to Cripps for a goal
3m51s to go in the 2nd qtr 1.0.6

Interesting reading. I appreciate that the players noted are not the only ones in the area but they are the ones involved.
Of the 20 I50's listed, only two of our "high pressure small forwards" are mentioned in the moments. And - they only feature once or twice each. Harry and Kempy (plus others) couldn't hold their marks or fumbled which means that the ball comes to ground on most occasions.

Where were the small forwards? Let's call it - 'missing'. And there goes the offensive pressure - turnover and goal to Brisbane!

This isn't isolated to this game. As many have bemoaned previously.

Some on this website suggest that these smalls, such as Durdin and Motlop should be cut some slack because of injury and 'lack of a pre-season'. Okay. Let's go with those excuses and cut them some slack. They are both contracted until the end of 2025? Let's see how they go next season.

Durdin shouldn't have played due to his current injury. We all seem to agree on this.

Motlop seemed to be injury free for this game and the previous ones. His going missing is more between the ears IMHO.

Fantasia must have some other roles that we are not across....who knows??

Or, we can explore the options that might present now to make list changes.

I remain highly sceptical of their current value on the list. Can and must do better.

Their EF was a very strong indicator of their current value.

Make the changes.