AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

[Gointocarlton]

Defeated before the first bounce.

Had we had a mixture of a few ins and the usuals in maybe we could see past the game, but I think those on the ground knew there wasn’t much left.

I don’t care for what why if or buts the reality is the conditioning fitness or any other reason the group capitulated after being second on the ladder was either extremely unlucky or extremely incompetent - not acceptable.

If you cant get yourself fired up for final and be ready to run through brick walls from the opening bounce, go and choose another occupation. Im being critical here but I was a little disappointed at the leadership in the first qtr. It needed someone (or two) to stand up and do something.

[pertz]

EB do you really think our list is that good that we flip a 60-0 start by changing one or 2 selections. I wish i agreed but we have more issues then MC selections imo. We fans seem to think our problems would be solved by a smarter coach better selection's etc however maybe the list has more holes then we think. We don't have the overall talent to challenge the best teams when it matters.
We fail year in year out mate. We just aren't good enough for long enough.

That last sentence sums it up.  Nuff said.
Hawthorn has gone past us with a bunch of kids.
Our team is loaded with one paced players.
Many are good players , but  they couldn't spread butter on their toast let alone on the ground.
Until some pace and (quality) youth is injected into the team, we'll be middle of the table.

[Professer E]

Entire MC should be called in and sacked at 9 am Monday.

Don't pick injured players.
Don't pick players clearly out of form.

Aaaaaaaaaaagh. ******G idiots.

[ElwoodBlues1]

EB do you really think our list is that good that we flip a 60-0 start by changing one or 2 selections. I wish i agreed but we have more issues then MC selections imo. We fans seem to think our problems would be solved by a smarter coach better selection's etc however maybe the list has more holes then we think. We don't have the overall talent to challenge the best teams when it matters.
We fail year in year out mate. We just aren't good enough for long enough.

I think we could have put up a better effort Shawny with better planning and selection, we were never going to win imho and I totally agree we need more talent but there is no use having extreme talent if your MC and coaching staff are not able to get the basics right which are a picking a fit team and having the majority of them in the right positions.
I want a reset of the list and a cull of players who are not going to take us any further and we need an injection of fresh players to rebuild depth in our weak areas which we all know about.

[Micky0]

If you cant get yourself fired up for final and be ready to run through brick walls from the opening bounce, go and choose another occupation. Im being critical here but I was a little disappointed at the leadership in the first qtr. It needed someone (or two) to stand up and do something.

They obviously felt there was fk all left to do next week and then potentially the week after!

Zero belief!

Terrible display!

Who’s the  leadership group? Cripps, Walsh, Weiters,
Newman.

[laj]

[member=29]laj[/member] we won plenty of footy in the 1st-half, and got clear possession, the problem isn't run.

Have a read of the post I made in the List Management thread 5 hours before the game, then re-watch the first 40 to 50 minutes. Run had nothing to do with it, run hasn't been a big part of our problem all season, it's another smokescreen masking the real problems!

We burn the footy, when we win plenty of footy and are in the lead we burn the footy, when we are behind and fighting for possessions to get back in the game we burn the footy. It happens over and over again. We fight and win clear possession and the disposal goes to the opposition, watch the Lions by comparison, they win the footy and the first disposal goes to a target.

Pace and run is a problem generally, not just tonight. Our biggest drawback.

[LP]

That's about the 4th or 5th time this season Neale has done the charge into high contact sh1t, and the 2nd time against us.

If players are going to be reported by him doing this, they might as well start making it worthwhile!

[laj]

EB do you really think our list is that good that we flip a 60-0 start by changing one or 2 selections. I wish i agreed but we have more issues then MC selections imo. We fans seem to think our problems would be solved by a smarter coach better selection's etc however maybe the list has more holes then we think. We don't have the overall talent to challenge the best teams when it matters.
We fail year in year out mate. We just aren't good enough for long enough.

Picking fit players turns that 60-0 into something much, much better, even on a bad day. Doesn't even get to half that much. Half fit, underdone, out of form players will always be left behind when the contest is at it's hottest as we found.

As for not being good enough, when you sit 2nd, 6pts clear with 7 matches left, and last year essentially 20pts from a premiership (16 PF + 4 GF) you are more than good enough. When your fitness guru injures much of your squad, then the coach/MC keep picking half fit, out of form big names then it blows up in your face. What it has done is produce one of the great wastes of a season ever in my memory Need people hauled right over the coals for it. What we need is some pace and run added to the side, like the one's who played the last 2 weeks. Makes a  difference.

[Thryleon]

I want to make a point here.

We played from the outset like a team that didn't believe it could win.

That's not a player issue, that's an MC problem. 

Don't look at other teams and how they're going.  Last year they said similar about us until we ran into a real side and half our team had broken down.  The variance is they're fit.  Our boys are not.  We played a quarter again.  With Charlie in its effectively what we had done all year playing a quarter of blistering footy.

Matt Kennedy was subbed off halfway through the second quarter and did more than quite a few of our smalls.  Disgraceful.

Our normally reliable defense was very poor early.  Sure weight of numbers and all that, but I think it was weitering who early on made a couple of uncharacteristic errors which we never came back from.

Honourable mention to the umpires.  The melee and neale getting hit was caused by the inability to see an elbow to the head by rayner who decided to go dirty on nic Newman.  Umpire saw it, should have reversed the mark/free kick as it happened on the wing in front of us, but he decided to play it on.  Next minute players are punching on.  Idiots.  Do your jobs. 

They screwed us over a couple of times. With some missed holding the ball tackles, of course in our forward 50.

Also that bar area behind the goals, ditch it.  Make it for fans and put the wankers somewhere else.

[crashlander]

[1] We need to address the structural problems out team has:
(a) a general lack of pace.
(b) lack of a tall, athletic defender.
© Lack of pace in the midfield.
(d) lack of small forwards who can keep the ball in and kick crumbing goals.

[2] Our MC needs to look at the decisions they've made. As was noted earlier, it is hard for them to win a game, but they can certainly go a long way to losing a game by making poor decisions and designing a line-up with major structural issues.
We also don't demote guys who are playing poorly enough, nor are we rewarding good VFL form. We usually promote guys when they've past their form peaks.

[3] Our coaching staff has been pretty good over the last couple of years, but they don't appear to have a lot of tactical brilliance. We need to address that. We need to be able to react quicker when things go wrong. We don't tend to make many positional changes and they generally don't gel, because the players are neither prepared for them nor do they respond as they should.

[4] Our skills need a lot of work. Looking at Sydney and GWS, their skills are better than ours. They don't make the same mistakes twenty times. Their handball is on a totally different level to ours; they find guys when ours don't.

[5] Our fitness level is fine, but we need more of our players on the park more often. Hopefully the new guy can keep our injury numbers down.

[6] Intensity: the fanaticism towards the ball and the man could be seen easily in the GWS-Sydney game, especially. We need that. We've rarely played with that commitment, even at our best. We're not going to win a flag until we can show the same level of commitment and desire to get the ball at all costs.