AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

[Micky0]

^ acres, cerra - they’re such good players when they play well but when they don’t - and when acres does shit kicks it just kills us. Newman at times too
just wasn’t reliable! Senior players need to be reliable! Not flashy but just do not kick it directly time and again to our disadvantage.

[kruddler]

EB do you really think our list is that good that we flip a 60-0 start by changing one or 2 selections. I wish i agreed but we have more issues then MC selections imo. We fans seem to think our problems would be solved by a smarter coach better selection's etc however maybe the list has more holes then we think. We don't have the overall talent to challenge the best teams when it matters.
We fail year in year out mate. We just aren't good enough for long enough.

We didn't need to flip the 60-0 start. Just limit it to 30-0.

But we handicaped ourselves with the team we picked.
TBH, i think its a minor miracle there was no injuries, but even that withstanding, we handicapped ourselves with a couple selections that would've made SOME difference. How much will never be known.

[LP]

There is that but it is still a mind boggling decision.

Don't let these imbeciles drag you into a stupid debate.

For the first quarter we hardly had the ball forward of centre, and at one stage it was 15 / 20 Lion's I50s to just 4 for us. It wouldn't matter if we had Charlie, Harry, Carey, Lockett and Dunstall inside F50!

As for blaming the 1st 50 minutes on the Sub selection as a ruck, it's stupidity, the Sub could have been Judd, Dusty, Ablett, any fecker anybody likes, they had no bearing on the first 50 or so minutes of the game. And it made no difference if the Sub was a ruck, rover, utility, fullback or tagger.

[kruddler]

^ acres, cerra - they’re such good players when they play well but when they don’t - and when acres does crap kicks it just kills us. Newman at times too
just wasn’t reliable! Senior players need to be reliable! Not flashy but just do not kick it directly time and again to our disadvantage.

Acres was fine.
He has been playing with a dodgy shoulder for most of his career at carlton. He reinjured it about 6 weeks ago. He hurt it again in Q1 or Q2. Yet he keeps putting his body on the line, gut running the length of the ground and being our goal keeper.

Yes, his kicking can be average, but he's improved that this year.
I think he suffers from 'jelly legs' from all the running he does.

[kruddler]

Don't let these imbeciles drag you into a stupid debate.

For the first quarter we hardly had the ball forward of centre, and at one stage it was 15 / 20 Lion's I50s to just 4 for us. It wouldn't matter if we had Charlie, Harry, Carey, Lockett and Dunstall inside F50!

As for blaming the 1st 50 minutes on the Sub selection, it's stupidity, the Sub could have been Judd, Dusty, Ablett, any fecker anybody likes, they had no bearing on the first 50 or so minutes of the game. And it made no difference if the Sub was a ruck, rover, utility, fullback or tagger.

This is what.....the 4th time you've said as much now.

Nobody is blaming the first 50 minutes on the sub decision.

The 2 are seperate debates.

[pinot]

We got smashed in the clearances fiorst half no surprise when TDK came on gave us some leverage.
It is the players
it is the mix of players
It is the consistency to build cohesion between the players.

[Gointocarlton]

I thought after Thurs night I wouldnt see a worse finals showing, our first qtr and a bit was the worst performance I have ever seen. No pressure, no intensity, no desperation, its as disappointed as I have been watch us play. The game was done and dusted at qtr time, I could not believe what I was seeing. Gutless.

[laj]

Yep.

I fear we have missed our opportunity for a Cripps premiership ?

Not all players can do all things - but for a start, clear out the injured players.
Enough.

And sorry but clear out players that cannot be trusted / I’m talking McG, Williams, Pittonent, even Cerra and maybe Acres.

Ye some of the best might win you a game. But consistently do not provide enough.

We need just enough of a tweak to put pace, run and spread into the side. Essentially structural. We have pace but they are all in the VFL. They got let out for the 2 last games to show us something different and did well and added paced and run. Also a fitness guru that doesn't injure half the side. Those blokes you picked out aren't going anywhere. We don't have enough rucks for starters to lose Pitto, plus he is signed for 4 years. Those others are very good when fit. They are all signed too.

[Micky0]

I thought after Thurs night I wouldnt see a worse finals showing, our first qtr and a bit was the worst performance I have ever seen. No pressure, no intensity, no desperations, its as disappointed as I have been watch us play. The game was done and dusted at qtr time, I could not believe what I was seeing.

Defeated before the first bounce.

Had we had a mixture of a few ins and the usuals in maybe we could see past the game, but I think those on the ground knew there wasn’t much left.

I don’t care for what why if or buts the reality is the conditioning fitness or any other reason the group capitulated after being second on the ladder was either extremely unlucky or extremely incompetent - not acceptable.

[LP]

We need just enough of a tweak to put pace, run and spread into the side.

[member=29]laj[/member] we won plenty of footy in the 1st-half, and got clear possession, the problem isn't run.

Have a read of the post I made in the List Management thread 5 hours before the game, then re-watch the first 40 to 50 minutes. Run had nothing to do with it, run hasn't been a big part of our problem all season, it's another smokescreen masking the real problems!

We burn the footy, when we win plenty of footy and when in the lead we burn the footy, when we are behind and fighting for possessions to get back in the game we burn the footy. It happens over and over again. We fight and win clear possession and the disposal goes to the opposition, watch the Lions by comparison, they win the footy and the first disposal goes to a target.