AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

[pinot]

Listen to Hoyne, Bris only win 40% of games when the oppo applies pressure greater than 180. Despite our slump, our pressure rating is very high (cant remember the numbers). Apply the pressure and this mob will wilt, nothing surer.

Pressure rating has been good. Only fell away when we played Hawthorn but ran out of bodies on that one.

Brisbane are a really good ball moving team and need to break even at least at clearances or they will cut as apart.

[Gointocarlton]

Pressure rating has been good. Only fell away when we played Hawthorn but ran out of bodies on that one.

Brisbane are a really good ball moving team and need to break even at least at clearances or they will cut as apart.

Part of what Hoyne said:
When you combine your pressure and the opposition's pressure, no one plays in higher pressure matches than what Carleton do this year. So you assume that holds you in good stead for a final series. So 180 is the AFL average for pressure.
They've only done under 180 in a game this year three times. So three out of their 23 matches under 180, which is a significant achievement. Why this number is important. Brisbane have only received a pressure of over 180 on them ten times for the year.
They've got a win rate of 40% when teams apply a pressure rating of over 180. So you would assume Carlton are going to do that this week, given that they have done it 20 out of 23 times this year. You do that, you give yourself the best chance of being in Brisbane.
Pressure wins
Geel 203
NM, Rich 200
WC 198
PA 197
Melb 194
Rich 185
Freo 184
Bris GC 183
Ess 181
NM 179
GWS 172
Just Bring It

[Thryleon]

Docherty.

So we know he ruptured his acl.  We also know that he played a quarter with it already ruptured.  He didn't go off right away remember?

Where did it tear?  Was hanging on by a thread?  Fully torn right through the middle?  Higher lower?  Closer further from the knee?  The medicos tend to describe a rupture as a full tear but they wouldn't have known until they operated and may have elected to keep that a bit quiet. 

So knowing this what's the recovery and rehab like? 

So if everything goes perfectly, with no post op complications, it is not unreasonable to have full motion back in the knee after 4 to 8 weeks and to be able to resume running in 12 to 16 weeks.  That's about 4 months.  Doch was playing his first game of the season off a full pre season and to quote him was in great condition when it happened.  These days with prp, and stem cell therapy they can accelerate the healing process and using the skinny side of the above guidance its not unreasonable for him to have been back in strength and conditioning training by the end of July being conservative and allowing for 16 weeks. That means he's spent minimum 4 weeks getting miles  in the legs and testing it out.

Given our teams on field fortunes I'd trust him to be in better nick than almost 10 of the players going out this weekend.  The timing of the injury is important.  Jsos did his before pre season. Docherty after he had already done one.  Was probably in really good nick when it happened and won't have the muscle issues the rest have.

[madbluboy]

The four players certain to play on Saturday night against the Brisbane Lions are Harry McKay, Mitch McGovern, Zac Williams and Sam Docherty (whose stunning selection was announced on Tuesday), according to club sources who spoke anonymously as team selection was not official.

But key forward Curnow, who aggravated an ankle injury against Hawthorn in round 22, is still in doubt for the elimination final, with the Blues facing a major call on his selection.

[tonyo]

Docherty.

So we know he ruptured his acl.  We also know that he played a quarter with it already ruptured.  He didn't go off right away remember?

Where did it tear?  Was hanging on by a thread?  Fully torn right through the middle?  Higher lower?  Closer further from the knee?  The medicos tend to describe a rupture as a full tear but they wouldn't have known until they operated and may have elected to keep that a bit quiet. 

So knowing this what's the recovery and rehab like? 

So if everything goes perfectly, with no post op complications, it is not unreasonable to have full motion back in the knee after 4 to 8 weeks and to be able to resume running in 12 to 16 weeks.  That's about 4 months.  Doch was playing his first game of the season off a full pre season and to quote him was in great condition when it happened.  These days with prp, and stem cell therapy they can accelerate the healing process and using the skinny side of the above guidance its not unreasonable for him to have been back in strength and conditioning training by the end of July being conservative and allowing for 16 weeks. That means he's spent minimum 4 weeks getting miles  in the legs and testing it out.

Given our teams on field fortunes I'd trust him to be in better nick than almost 10 of the players going out this weekend.  The timing of the injury is important.  Jsos did his before pre season. Docherty after he had already done one.  Was probably in really good nick when it happened and won't have the muscle issues the rest have.

If anyone would know about rehab from a knee reco, it will be Doc.  If he thinks he is ready to go, that's good enough for me.

[Gointocarlton]

Docherty.

So we know he ruptured his acl.  We also know that he played a quarter with it already ruptured.  He didn't go off right away remember?

Where did it tear?  Was hanging on by a thread?  Fully torn right through the middle?  Higher lower?  Closer further from the knee?  The medicos tend to describe a rupture as a full tear but they wouldn't have known until they operated and may have elected to keep that a bit quiet. 

So knowing this what's the recovery and rehab like? 

So if everything goes perfectly, with no post op complications, it is not unreasonable to have full motion back in the knee after 4 to 8 weeks and to be able to resume running in 12 to 16 weeks.  That's about 4 months.  Doch was playing his first game of the season off a full pre season and to quote him was in great condition when it happened.  These days with prp, and stem cell therapy they can accelerate the healing process and using the skinny side of the above guidance its not unreasonable for him to have been back in strength and conditioning training by the end of July being conservative and allowing for 16 weeks. That means he's spent minimum 4 weeks getting miles  in the legs and testing it out.

Given our teams on field fortunes I'd trust him to be in better nick than almost 10 of the players going out this weekend.  The timing of the injury is important.  Jsos did his before pre season. Docherty after he had already done one.  Was probably in really good nick when it happened and won't have the muscle issues the rest have.

Harry in his podcast reckons all the boys thought he was ready to play weeks ago based on the way he was training.

[DJC]

[member=105]Thryleon[/member]

Doc was back running at the end of May.  His first run back on Princes Park got a fair bit of coverage.

He began non-contact training in early July and has been taking part in full contact training for the last six weeks.

[Thryleon]

[member=105]Thryleon[/member]

Doc was back running at the end of May.  His first run back on Princes Park got a fair bit of coverage.

He began non-contact training in early July and has been taking part in full contact training for the last six weeks.

all good djc.  I'm comfortable.  I was trying to show why anyone worried about him is worried about the strength and conditioning of the wrong player.

[DJC]

all good djc.  I'm comfortable.  I was trying to show why anyone worried about him is worried about the strength and conditioning of the wrong player.

Your numbers were convincing Thry but the actual numbers are even more so ?

But ? anyway!

[Lods]

Selection day  ;D

Debate will rage strongly tonight. : 

You can almost bet though, that the team selected tonight won't be the team that takes the field Saturday, and there will be a late change or two.