AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

[madbluboy]

Durdin was really good last week. Probably best I have seen him play.

[DJC]

Disagree.

People who praise Fantasia (best entry inside F50) need to look at how he gets his possessions and what happens when he gets them in traffic. Same with Durdin.
Compare that to Motlop.

Fantasia pounced on a loose ball (it was our free kick) and managed to kick it forward.
Smart play.
Right place right time.
Ultimately, didn't win a contest though.

Same thing when he got his goals. 2 of (the 4) of them were joe the goose types from memory. He isn't really creating much. He doesn't get the hard ball. He is an outside player.

Compare that with Motlop and even Moir. They make things happen. Motlop will take the hard ball, try a stiff arm, a spin and then either kick a goal or get tackled. The latter occurs and people lose their minds. He is only young, is learning the game and you can't hate on him for trying.
Moir first goal last week came when is a bear hug. Was smart enough to not grab posession, but still influence the game by kicking a goal.
Incidently, Moirs goal this week came from a chain that started from Motlop being front and square, getting the ball forward initially and then picking up and handballing to Acres while about to be tackled. Acres delivered to Moir in space.

FWIW...
Owies - 11 touches - 5 score involvements - 1.0 goal -1 goal assists - 2 tackles - 0 clearances - 4 turnovers
Fantasia - 10 touches - 4 score involvements - 1.0 goal - 2 goal assists - 2 tackles - 0 clearances - 5 turnovers
Motlop - 4 touches - 3 score involvements - 1.1 goals - 0 goal assists - 2 tackles - 1 clearance - 2 turnovers
Durdin - 4 touches - 2 score involvements - 0.1 goals - 0 goal assissts - 2 tackles - 0 clearances - 0 turnovers

1 was 'our best'
1 was 'great'
1 was 'the less said the better'
1 was 'injured'.

In terms of output, i'm not seeing a whole lot of difference between them.
They all had the same amount of tackles.
They all had shots on goal.
The all had score involvements.
Some got it more, and turned it over more

Once again, statistics only provide part of the picture.  Since you've gone there, how many intercepts and rebound 50s did they each get?  Tackles inside 50? What about metres gained?

Fantasia and Owies worked hard all over the ground and were involved in many contests.  Durdin and Motlop weren't involved in the game anywhere near as much.

For all that, Owies is the only one I'd have in the team to play Brisbane.  Fantasia gets a game if Owies doesn't get off his suspension.

[kruddler]

Once again, statistics only provide part of the picture.  Since you've gone there, how many intercepts and rebound 50s did they each get?  Tackles inside 50? What about metres gained?

Fantasia and Owies worked hard all over the ground and were involved in many contests.  Durdin and Motlop weren't involved in the game anywhere near as much.

For all that, Owies is the only one I'd have in the team to play Brisbane.  Fantasia gets a game if Owies doesn't get off his suspension.

Owies - 11 touches - 5 score involvements - 1.0 goal -1 goal assists - 2 tackles - 0 clearances - 4 turnovers
Fantasia - 10 touches - 4 score involvements - 1.0 goal - 2 goal assists - 2 tackles - 0 clearances - 5 turnovers
Motlop - 4 touches - 3 score involvements - 1.1 goals - 0 goal assists - 2 tackles - 1 clearance - 2 turnovers
Durdin - 4 touches - 2 score involvements - 0.1 goals - 0 goal assissts - 2 tackles - 0 clearances - 0 turnovers
Moir - 4 touches - 1 score involvements - 1.0 goals - 0 goal assissts - 2 tackles - 0 clearances - 0 turnovers

Owies - 2 Intercept possessions - 0 R50's - 0 TI50 - 134 Meters gained - 4 clangers
Fantasia - 1 Intercept possessions - 2 R50's - 2 TI50 - 297 Meters gained - 4 clangers
Motlop - 0 Intercept possessions - 0 R50's - 1 TI50 - 37 Meters gained - 2 clangers
Durdin - 0 Intercept possessions - 0 R50's - 1 TI50 - 45 Meters gained - 0 clangers
Moir - 0 Intercept possessions - 0 R50's - 1 TI50 - 59 Meters gained - 0 clangers


Not trying to hide anything.

For the record, i'm not saying Motlop played a great game.
I'm just saying Fantasia did not play a 'great' game. Might have been one of his best games.....and thats part of the problem. Thats as good as it gets and its not good enough.
FWIW, Moir only played 24% TOG.

[Shakin77]

Neither Motlop or Durdin have progressed this year.
But both have had interrupted seasons
When they have played, it's probably because of necessity rather than readiness.
Judge them with a full pre-season behind them and some extended game time.

100% agree.  We underestimate how much having no pre-season can impact a player

[pertz]

100% agree.  We underestimate how much having no pre-season can impact a player

I'd have Moir in the starting team. The kid has X factor and everything he has done has been  class. He is pacy and hard running.  He is the future.

[tonyo]

I'm afraid Jack Martin just cannot be picked - has played only one full game this season, and will undoubtedly injure something else 15 minutes into a tight final.  

[spf]

I'd have Moir in the starting team. The kid has X factor and everything he has done has been  class. He is pacy and hard running.  He is the future.

I would get him training with Adam Saad over summer, we will lose players again next year to injury, and having another running back with precision kicking skills would be invaluable. Obviously, he can play forward as well so from a team balance perspective this give him the greatest possibility of playing regular football in the seniors.

Just too good to leave out. Imagine this bloke with 50 games into him.

[Baggers]

Our small forwards almost deserve their own thread!

When glancing at the stats that K provided (thank you) what stands out is how Moir in one qtr had every bit as much impact as each of the other small forwards... over four qtrs! Though being almost 6' 2" Moir sure is a taller small forward!

Objectively, you cut Motlop, Durds and Fantasia some slack owing to their fitness and/or injury status.

We know what Motlop can do when fit, but he aint at the level that he and the club would want at this stage and, compared to his capabilities, he was pretty ordinary on Sunday.

Durds, two weeks ago showed us what he can do, and it was good. But after dislocating his shoulder, ideally he shouldn't have played on Sunday, which showed.

Fantasia is brittle but his footy smarts and disposal are great however injuries have prevented us seeing his best, consistently.

Owies has a unique ability to get into dangerous positions. A real opportunistic small forward. And his fantastic enthusiasm for the contest is team lifting.

All our small forwards, defensively, are really good (especially, Fog), again, when fit and injury free.

If only (our 2024 catch-cry) they all had a strong pre-season and injury free run at the year

[kruddler]

We might get an update later today, but going by our last injury update, these are the players potentially ready for a return

Likely be available to return.....
30. Charlie Curnow - Ankle - Test (Update: 20 August)
10. Harry McKay- Quad - One week (Update: 20 August)
11. Mitch McGovern - Hamstring - Test (Update: 20 August)
21. Jack Martin - Hamstring - One week (Update: 20 August)
6. Zac Williams - Hamstring tightness - Unavailable for Round 24 (Update: 23 August)

with some unknowns from the following group.....
5. Adam Cerra - Hamstring - TBD (Update: 6 August)
12. Tom De Koning - Lung/foot - Unavailable for home-and-away season (Update: 23 July)
37. Jordan Boyd - Adductor - Home-and-away season (Update: 13 August)

....and who knows....
15: Sam Docherty - Knee - Indefinite (Update: 9 July)

But we can put a line through.....
46. Matthew Cottrell - Shoulder - Season (Update: 6 August)
28. David Cuningham - Shoulder - Season (Update: 30 July)
8. Lachie Fogarty - Collarbone - Season (Update: 13 August)
1. Jack Silvagni - Knee - Indefinite (Update: 23 July)

In case of emergency they might be available....
22. Caleb Marchbank - Concussion - 1-2 weeks (Update: 13 August)
38. Sam Durdin - Calf - 4-6 weeks (Update: 23 July)

[Thryleon]

The rumour is that docherty is in line for a recall next game and is in full training.

Just in time.  He's probably the one who helps us in two positions at once.