AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

[Thryleon]

Depends.

A hamstring can be 1 to 2 weeks on a player that hasn't done one before and it's a low grade one.

[kruddler]

I have Lemmey in. While not fully ready his last 6 weeks have been pretty good. He is hitting the scoreboard.

What I would do is have both Gov and Kemp in the key forward roles and let Lemmey 2nd ruck so he gets a run around the paddock rather than stay home all the time.

Personally i'd put Weitering forward, at least for part of the game. Nobody will be able to push him off the ball and he'll read the ball better than anyone else.

We have Gov (hopefully he's fit) and Kemp to do their usual role and we can have Young to play Weitering role, which he seems to be able to do better than any other defenders role.

We need to be able to score and we are just about missing our complete first choice forwardline, so why not add a joker into the mix with Weitering?

If we lose, it doesn't matter if its 1 point or 100.

Without kicking a score though, we have no hope.

[crashlander]

Cooper Lord is a definite in. The lad deserves a spot. Only, where do we play him? He's another inside mid.

[laj]

Depends.

A hamstring can be 1 to 2 weeks on a player that hasn't done one before and it's a low grade one.

Haven't seen one yet. Unless it's referred never see then under 3. Those that have tried 2 weeks have invariably dine them again.

[Thryleon]

Haven't seen one yet. Unless it's referred never see then under 3. Those that have tried 2 weeks have invariably dine them again.

Brent guerra.

I vividly recall seeing him standing in water down at st kilda beach waist high with a jacket and scarf on.

Admittedly it was grand final prep, and that's a risk worth taking but anyone who go injured on the weekend has 4 weeks to get right before we need them to play provided, we have enough fit bodies in our next two weeks.

How ironic the one bloke I came up with quickly was a guy trained by Russell.

[northernblue]

Against the grain, but I wouldn't bring in Lemmey.  He really hasn't shown enough and first game against someone like J.McGovern he could just be a liability.

Go small with Mitch McGovern up forward and Young down back.  Young can play on a man and Kemp can play the McGovern role.    A combo of M.Kennedy and Cripps as a 2nd forward.

Boyd > Cincotta back.    C.Lord in.
Fogarty > Durdin.
Curnow > Young in.    McGovern forward
Saad > Binns in. 
McKay > Carroll
Martin > Fantasia

Forward line of
E.Holland, McGovern, Z.Williams
Motlop, Kennedy/Cripps, Owies

Z.Williams can go back, but I doubt he has the fitness to play half back.  Durdin or Fantasia forward.
If we go small it might make life difficult for McGovern and co

I’m a bit both ways on Lemmey, if he’s not “ready” for a break glass game now, will he ever be ?
Whoever we play forward MUST have the ball delivered to their advantage and leads must be honored, to not only give ourselves a chance to win but to not destroy the confidence of someone like Lemmey.

[bobby]

While finals are still mathematically possible, a team like the Hawks deserves that spot way more than we do...simple as that. With 6 players likely to be missing from last weekend, there's not much left to choose from so lets have a look at Moir, Lemmey, Binns, Wilson, Carroll.....even Mirkov. He couldn't be any worse than Pittonet's been in the last month.

Big agree on Mirkov. We need to know how he goes. He'll get lots of hit outs purely on his size, and he'll be hitting out to ball users who are significantly better players. They'll make him look better. Sure it will be hard for him, but we have to find out how he goes. Pittonet's (I am a fan btw - big heart) feet barely leave the ground. Mirkov is so tall that the opposition ruckman will be more worried about stopping him than doing anything good themselves. That could mean the oppositions clearance ball strategy is compromised at least. If we were already done and dusted Mirkov in would be a better idea probably, but big guys need time and need to start somewhere. Harry Madden took a while to get going.

[Lods]

Personally i'd put Weitering forward, at least for part of the game. Nobody will be able to push him off the ball and he'll read the ball better than anyone else.

We have Gov (hopefully he's fit) and Kemp to do their usual role and we can have Young to play Weitering role, which he seems to be able to do better than any other defenders role.

We need to be able to score and we are just about missing our complete first choice forwardline, so why not add a joker into the mix with Weitering?

If we lose, it doesn't matter if its 1 point or 100.

Without kicking a score though, we have no hope.

One thing we have to our advantage going into this game is that the West Coast brains trust will have absolutely no idea how we will line up.

The more unpredictable we can make it the better.

Weitering forward is an out of the box move...but it just might come off.
It's just a perception but with the chops and changes down back Weitering's 'generalship' just seems to not be as effective as it has been.
With the added pressure the defence has been under he's probably needed to keep his focus on his own opponent rather than directing others.

There's an elephant in the room too that we're probably bit reluctant to address.
There were rumours circulating last year about an apparent 'rift' with Young and Weitering.
Not a personal thing, but more a professional, confidence thing.
We have no idea of the strength of those rumours but it's been interesting with all our defensive woes that they haven't played a lot together in defence in the last twelve months.
When they have played in the same team Young has often been bought in as much as a backup ruck rather than a pure defender.
The explanation may be as Kruddler suggests that they are similar types of defensive players (key forward opponents), albeit Weitering is a couple of levels above.

[cookie2]

I’ve noticed that Weiters has become quite tetchy with some teammates at times during the past few matches. This shows that probably some in the defence have been making bad mistakes, although this has been pretty obvious anyway. Moving him away from defence could make us even more vulnerable. We need to focus more on how to move the ball effectively into our F50 and keeping it there, without exposing our defence imo.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Allen, Waterman and Darling are no mugs and without Weitering we would have our hands full down back especially with Allen imho. I'd play Lemmey and Kennedy in the key forward spots and rotate Cripps with Kennedy at FF and  wouldn't be shy to give Cripps extended time there.