AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

[shawny]

Painted ourselves into a corner with long term deals so the trade table for us is the $2 bin at the player reject shop with players like Haynes.

Agree EB - so the only way out is to trade a few guys who have currency contracted or not. If we stick with what we have we are going nowhere.

[Baggers]

I watched us score wins against real sides in games that counted....

Lions rnd 1
GWS
Freo when up early in year
Port on own dungheap
Cheats when flying
Geelong
Dees with Petracca et al.

Don't tell me they were fluked or sneaky wins.

TdK gets taken down then the dynamic totally changes....  Can't defend, can't spread, can't win centre clearances, suddenly too slow to defend on transition.

Change a few key personnel - look how quickly the dynamic changed, there's our true fragility

Fragility is a good word, very apt. We're also too nice... just to throw another negative ingredient into the mix.

[LP]

We've a list of mostly middle distance runners with a few marathon types and no sprinters, and we are playing a 4 x 100m game style, it can work.

We put Charlie, Harry, Cripps into the heat, kick it wide or on the heads, then complain they can't hold a mark, or that they are broken competing against 2 or 3 always, they aren't out marked but we have nobody at their feet either.

[LP]

Harry takes the footy from overhead to waist high more than once at the weekend, gets tunnelled or pummelled, and the pill gets dislodged usually by body contact with another player, the umpires call play on.

A player takes an arms up overhead mark that is punched clear before even a second ticks by, and the umpires pay the mark.

Harry holds the footy 2x longer and isn't rewarded, we need to be asking the questions now in advance of next season.

[Milhanna13]

Multiple time as the weekend Harry takes the footy from overhead to waist high more than once at the weekend, gets tunnelled or pummelled, and the pill gets dislodged usually by body contact with another player, the umpires call play on.

A player takes an arms up overhead mark that is punched clear before even a second ticks by, and the umpires pay the mark.

Harry holds the footy 2x longer and isn't rewarded, we need to be asking the questions now in advance of next season.

The AFL would never admit it, but the "free-kick-Curnow" uproar late last year has effected the way the umpires look at Charlie and H.  They are both still getting the odd free, but never 2 in a row, and really never 2 in a quarter.  the oppo know they can tunnel/chop/block them and only 10% of them will be called

[Milhanna13]

We need to persist with youngsters that can stay on the park.
Play Moir and persist with him in Jack Martin\s role he has talent to burn
Give Billy Wilson a run in Saad's role
Give Jaxon Binns a run in Cottrell's role

People forget - Binns didnt get a kick in the 1 AFL match he played.  Moir has been (up unitl this week) strggling to get a kick in the 2s.  Wilson seems to have tapered off a bit.    We play these blokes, they dont get near it, and then the Footy Dept will get smashed for playing blokes that arent ready

[Milhanna13]

For weeks people have been observing that 'Charlie had turned lazy.' Charlie has been playing injured for weeks. Brad Lloyd said 'a number of weeks' which translated into 'Carlton speak' means at least  6! Walsh is definitely hampered, I'd suspect with a back problem, I can't use his best weapon.... pace and quick reaction therefore he gets caught a lot and is restricted in his delivery. To win premierships you need a consistent list, a high degree of talent, no injuries and a fair bit of luck. What chance did we have.

Yep - we lack run.  But, when you consider Walsh and Saad are definitely carrying injuries (either that or the mon-stars from spacejam have stolen their talent).  TDK and Cerra out.  Cottrell out.  you can excuse the lack of spark and run.  Add to that our coleman medalist isnt right.  Its no wonder we have fallen in a hole

[ElwoodBlues1]

We lacked run but our contesting and effort was terrible imo.
We gave up and it was embarrassing...

[Baggers]

The AFL would never admit it, but the "free-kick-Curnow" uproar late last year has effected the way the umpires look at Charlie and H.  They are both still getting the odd free, but never 2 in a row, and really never 2 in a quarter.  the oppo know they can tunnel/chop/block them and only 10% of them will be called

Noticed the same thing.

[LP]

The AFL would never admit it, but the "free-kick-Curnow" uproar late last year has effected the way the umpires look at Charlie and H.  They are both still getting the odd free, but never 2 in a row, and really never 2 in a quarter.  the oppo know they can tunnel/chop/block them and only 10% of them will be called

Sorry about the plhone typun, did'nt have time to do my iusuasl corects.