AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

[Adelaideblue]

Well, it seems likely our coaches will be forced to try out several of our seconds who are yet to debut.   

They may not be ready, but with 1/2 doz injuries there may be no other choice. 

Ab

ps. many of us will watch the outcome with interest.

[laj]

I'm just blaming one bloke as this had been ongoing for years.

This year is worse as we were as genuine a flag threat as anyone. Then 7 rounds to go we were cooked, as happens as you can't keep getting injured, coming back then play out a season. Just a look at the last 5 years, bar last year, and the pattern is the same. You don't get to 2nd on the ladder thag far into a season unless you were going really well. One point we just destroyed clubs in final qtrs. Now we can't run past a qtr.

That bastard Russell may have highly contributed to us missing our on big shot.

[Professer E]

Billy Wilson is lightning quick and Binns can run all day.  That will add some missing spark. 

Boyd another one we've sunk effort who gets injured too often.  I can understand carrying an injured gun like Charlie or Walsh, but Boyd?  FMD, he isn't exactly a young Chris Johnson in the BP.

[laj]

Well, it seems likely our coaches will be forced to try out several of our seconds who are yet to debut.   

They may not be ready, but with 1/2 doz injuries there may be no other choice. 

Ab

ps. many of us will watch the outcome with interest.

Voss will probably play them still with their hammed hanging off their bone.

[laj]

Billy Wilson is lightning quick and Binns can run all day.  That will add some missing spark. 

Boyd another one we've sunk effort who gets injured too often.  I can understand carrying an injured gun like Charlie or Walsh, but Boyd?  FMD, he isn't exactly a young Chris Johnson in the BP.

With so many it is one bloke one can blame. Thd ones who were actually injury prone had no hope.

[tex]

FMD - if we won last week and this week, we’d still be second.

[crashlander]

It’s not just injuries

Our list lacks athleticism/power and pace.
Key defensive stocks shot, 5-10 players completely overpaid and injury prone and we lack ticker.
Voss gameplan was cut to ribbons by a far better coach.
Miles off I’m afraid
All on the trading block to clean this up

All too true, alas. This time last year, our 2nd tier players stood up. This year, very few of them have made the sort of performance we require.
[1] Injuries: we've had more than anyone else but Richmond. It makes a difference.
But what was worse was that we rushed guys back into the team after long breaks who were severely underdone. That is not smart management.
[2] Last year a lot of guys stepped up and saved their careers. This year, most of them have gone backwards. Our small forwards were dynamic and made the play; this year, nada. Boyd, Fogarty, Martin, Motlop, these guys have barely fired a shot in the last 6 weeks. Last year Cuningham looked to have made it: now he is almost certainly out the door.
[3] Marc Pittonet: Early 2022 Pitto was the most effective ruckman in the competition, up until he was injured. Last year he was solid. This year ... He isn't getting the taps to advantage and is not beating guys he would have murdered last year. He rarely had anyone take marks against him in early 20222 and for much of last year. Now?
It has really hurt our midfield setup and exposed our lack of pace.
[4] Our general lack of athleticism: lots of other teams appear to have a lot better levels of athleticism than we do. It was really clear today where our lack of pace was exposed. Our lack of desire ... we don't often see that, but we could be accused of that today. We wouldn't man up.
[5] Our game plan: other seem to have worked out our game plan, which hasn't held up under pressure. That is never been Voss's strength. We really need to get someone in with the ability to make a strategic move midgame and to pick apart other teams'  plans.

In conclusion, we don't deserve to be in the finals this year. We need to start making plans for next year, and trading out players has to be among those plans. We need players with extreme pace. We need players who can hit targets: that was one of the main differences today between us and Hawthorn. We need a 2nd key defender. We need small forwards who get where the ball is, not where it isn't. We need a fitter, faster line-up and we need to be able to adjust our battle plan. And, most importantly, we need a fitness guy who can get us on the park. We haven't had a full list to select from since early 1996: that's 28 years!

[kruddler]

Watching at the ground today you can see why our defence gets attacked.

At no point did we ever look like manning up.

Early on it was McGovern playing loose and Kemp/Weitering playing man on man. Problem is, he plays too loose. He lets a player come into his zone and hangs about 20m off them expected to get there for the intercept. Their good kicking meant he was always 2-5m away when they took the uncontested mark.

One time McGovern went off at Kemp because McGovern had to 'cover his man', but his man was there for 30 seconds before he decided to go pick him up.....casually jogged over to him while the ball was kicked over his head and straight to him. Me and my mate were laughing at the lack of urgency from McGovern and then the balls to call out your teammate after you made basically no effort. Kemp had been on a run through the middle before, but shouldn't have been expected to come back that quick. 100% McGoverns fault, but Kemp copped the spray.

Later on, when he was injured and got moved forward, there was almost no loose man there was still loose players roaming forward casually without anyone close to them.

It happened all over the ground. Loose men everywhere. The amount of times we were dawdling behind play made me wonder why we bothered turning up at all. Too many disinterested players.

You can see why everyone loves Acres though, even with a busted shoulder he still was one of the first ones back every time.
Ollie Hollands wasn't too bad either.

We lacked a lot of speed today, we lacked fit bodies, but we lacked heart and hunger more IMO.

Worst performance by this group under voss when arguably it was one of our most important.
To surrender the points is 1 thing. To surrender over 8% points is another.

Vossy ain't going to go easy on the boys after this one.

[Professer E]

I'm glad you put McG under the spotlight Kruds, the $#@! has been a problem for years.  We certainly didn't get what we thought we were buying when we shelled out for this fraud.

[ElwoodBlues1]

We actually did ok in the hitouts and stoppages where it was even in the main, our troubles came when the ball was in open play where we fooled around with it too much, turned it over and ended up chasing tail and getting caught by the harder working Hawks on the overlap and eventually we stopped chasing and then ran out of gas completely when the bench was so depleted.
Didnt see Pittonet as a bad player and I thought he broke even with Meek who has been dominating, both he and the maligned often dropped, often made sub Kennedy can hold their heads up as players who fought it out imo.
re: Voss....normally Id question his tactics and lacks of moves but I thought we were out worked and were happy to play a non physical keepings off game where we couldnt generate enough run to penetrate the Hawks defense but took the easy short kick in an arc around the 50m mark racking up stats but going nowhere apart from when Cripps tried to do too much out of frustration and barge his way through their defense.
Lot of talk about Russell but there needs to be more talk about the list management and composition of the list and lack of depth.
A lot of these injury prone players were injury prone when they were recruited and thats where the mistakes where made....
The midfield needs an overhaul and while you always need contested players we need contested players with pace and who kick goals......