AFL Rd 21 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

[Mantis]

Our current form indicates a loss against a side we struggle to beat. Match up to well against but struggle to beat convincingly. Loss by 3 points as my guess. In the dying seconds of the match. After a 4 goal lead early in the game and manage to let the result slip away. Probably with some help from the umpires decisions. We don’t know how to stop the blood flow when the momentum swings the other way in the recent 4 games. When you only score one goal in the second half, against a side that has to travel interstate, you are in poor form. With or without injuries. Just my opinion but we could be in trouble very soon. “The season that could have been huge”.

[madbluboy]

Listened to SEN tonight. Daniel Hoyne said he is not worried about Carlton, just need to tweek a few things. We are apparently still in good shape overall. Corn also still big on Carlton.
I must have watching a different Carlton over the past 4 weeks. I don't care what the Champion Data metrics say, I am very concerned how we are going.
What was interesting also was that no team over the past 20 years that has won the flag, has lost more than 3 of their last 8 games.
The Swans and us are right on the knife's edge now.

We haven't been that bad.
Hoyne correctly predicted last year that our poor turn over game would make it difficult to win the flag despite our streak.
If we can defend our clearances a little bit better, our defenders will have to defend less one on one.
Hopefully it starts this week.

[kruddler]

We haven't been that bad.

Correct.

We lost to GWS by 12 points up there.
They have only lost 2 games at home all year. Swans and Dogs.

We lost to the dogs by 14 points.
Next week the dogs played Cats at GMHBA and won by 47 points!

These are quality teams and not some no name teams. You will lose these games sometimes.

Pies are down on form currently, but they still won a flag last year so they haven't completely forgotten how to play football.

No team wins every week.
Perhaps we should've done better, but thats why we play the games because the outcome is unknown.

We've won 1 out of our last 4, but out 3 losses have been 14, 12 and 14 points.....hardly a flogging and against all top 8 sides.

We are not that bad.

[kruddler]

Listened to SEN tonight. Daniel Hoyne said he is not worried about Carlton, just need to tweek a few things. We are apparently still in good shape overall. Corn also still big on Carlton.
I must have watching a different Carlton over the past 4 weeks. I don't care what the Champion Data metrics say, I am very concerned how we are going.
What was interesting also was that no team over the past 20 years that has won the flag, has lost more than 3 of their last 8 games.
The Swans and us are right on the knife's edge now.

There was some stat that showed that teams that have lost 3 games in a row, but managed to STILL be in top spot have only won the flag once in 20 attempts. The last (and only) team was Fitzroy over 100 years ago.
By that logic it says that Sydney can't win it.

Once finals hits, all that has come before it goes out the window.
You only need to worry about winning 3 (or 4) games and you have the flag.

[madbluboy]

Collingwood lost a whole heap of games late last year.

[Gointocarlton]

Our current form indicates a loss against a side we struggle to beat. Match up to well against but struggle to beat convincingly. Loss by 3 points as my guess. In the dying seconds of the match. After a 4 goal lead early in the game and manage to let the result slip away. Probably with some help from the umpires decisions. We don’t know how to stop the blood flow when the momentum swings the other way in the recent 4 games. When you only score one goal in the second half, against a side that has to travel interstate, you are in poor form. With or without injuries. Just my opinion but we could be in trouble very soon. “The season that could have been huge”.

I read somewhere it was suggested that Voss and Co. seem to have the "you'll score 15 goals but we'll score 16 goals"  mentality. I reckon that's pretty close to it at the minute.

[pew2]

Daniel hoyne not worried well i am a worried our long bomb game plan is main problem

[madbluboy]

Daniel hoyne not worried well i am a worried our long bomb game plan is main problem

We are the 2nd highest scoring team behind Sydney.

[PaulP]

I read somewhere it was suggested that Voss and Co. seem to have the "you'll score 15 goals but we'll score 16 goals"  mentality. I reckon that's pretty close to it at the minute.

Watching some of his press conferences (the R7 Geelong game springs immediately to mind), I got the impression he's not a fan of shootout footy.

[tex]

Correct.

We lost to GWS by 12 points up there.
They have only lost 2 games at home all year. Swans and Dogs.

We lost to the dogs by 14 points.
Next week the dogs played Cats at GMHBA and won by 47 points!

These are quality teams and not some no name teams. You will lose these games sometimes.

Pies are down on form currently, but they still won a flag last year so they haven't completely forgotten how to play football.

No team wins every week.
Perhaps we should've done better, but thats why we play the games because the outcome is unknown.

We've won 1 out of our last 4, but out 3 losses have been 14, 12 and 14 points.....hardly a flogging and against all top 8 sides.

We are not that bad.

The problem is we have been in very winnable position each game.
We fail to put teams to the sword. We have for about 20 years.
It’s a problem. A problem not easily overcome IMO