AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

[LP]

For all this debate, in my opinion we may as well go with our strengths.

We have a strong but slowish midfield, we have two AFL quality 1st ruck options, we might as well do our best to leverage the ruck resource to give our slower superstar Mids 1st use of the footy.

Given 1st use of the footy our Mids can look fast, with quick decisions and skilful ball use, in this regard 1st use patches over a lot of issues diminishing the deficits.

Not having 1st use amplifies the deficits.

How that is managed is up to the coach and the MC, but it's crazy to leave our team deliberately in a shortfall when we have the resource available.

We have an excess of AFL capable;
- KPFs
- Mids
- Rucks

We don't have an excess of AFL capable KPDs, we need this addressed, in someway this season.

If we can't win a game with our potential ruck and midfield dominance, given our elite F50 KPF resource, it's not our ruck and midfield that is the problem!

[kruddler]

If we didn't play Pitto to allow a reshuffle, we could have played Young.

Because LP would rather see a viable KPP backup on the bench, who might get smashed in the 2nd ruck role, rather than risking our Coleman or Brownlow medallists for 3-1/2 qtrs of blunt grunt work. At least Young if not in the ruck allows a reshuffle when Weiters got injured.

Even as poor as Young can be, if he was the one chosen he'd still be useful in the ruck or KPD roles, and have more influence and impact than Fantasia at pretty much any location on the field.

Of course if you want to leverage AFL capable strengths, you can go with Pitto and restructure the rest, and Pitto for Fantasia wouldn't be a loss based on yesterday.

But yesterday, no options, we had no choice but to send our 1st choice ruck and only KPD back onto the field for 3 qtrs of pain and suffering simply because of MC decisions. That won't work in a GF.

Ahh....Young will fix all our problems.

How many times have you called for his inclusion this year?

[LP]

Ahh....Young will fix all our problems.

How many times have you called for his inclusion this year?

None at all probably, as I think there is a better option, but Young would still be better than what we went with yesterday.

[Lods]

Re Ruck posts...there is a special ruck thread for this discussion. Do a copy and paste and move this discussion into that thread.
After an unexpected loss folks can get a little heated.
This is a forum for discussion and debate but we can't demand folks  respond to posts, or the timing of those responses. That's up to the individual. It's a place for discussion and not for lectures.
Carry on.

[kruddler]

We have a strong but slowish midfield,

....

but it's crazy to leave our team deliberately in a shortfall when we have the resource available.

Agree, so why not add more, faster runners to go with our elite stronger mids. Not make it worse by including 2 rucks. Which only benefits us the 20% of the time our first ruck isn't rucking.

We don't have an excess of AFL capable KPDs, we need this addressed, in someway this season.

If we can't win a game with our potential ruck and midfield dominance, given our elite F50 KPF resource, it's not our ruck and midfield that is the problem!

We don't need it addressed this season, we need it addressed every off-season, which is what i've been saying and why Ben McKay non-event is a huge issue.

Every year we buy what the list management players are selling us. "Nothing available".
Well thats gone on for 7 years now and that is simply not possible so time to see through the BS (which i and others have) and actually solve the problem!

[LP]

This is a forum for discussion and debate but we can't demand folks  respond to posts, or the timing of those responses. 

[member=906]Lods[/member] don't give the timing stuff oxygen, [member=105]Thryleon[/member] and myself were probably typing at the same time, the initial comments were just a cheap rock throwing deflection tactic.

[LP]

We don't need it addressed this season, we need it addressed every off-season, which is what i've been saying and why Ben McKay non-event is a huge issue.

Who goes out of yesterday's 22 for Ben McKay, without diminishing your precious bench time for Mids?

[kruddler]

None at all probably, as I think there is a better option, but Young would still be better than what we went with yesterday.

Oh none. But it is SO obvious.....isn't it?

So what is the better option? We are all waiting for LP to solve our KPD issues.....

[kruddler]

Who goes out of yesterday's 22 for Ben McKay, without diminishing your precious bench time for Mids?

Move cottrell to cover Fantasia. Move Cincotta to cover Cottrell. Move Kemp/McGovern to cover Cincotta.

Tada.

[LP]

Move cottrell to cover Fantasia. Move Cincotta to cover Cottrell. Move Kemp/McGovern to cover Cincotta.

Tada.

It's not different from our currently available option, it has the same affect on the bench time you are so precious about.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

Further, moving Cincotta as well as one of McGovern/Kemp out of D50 for McKay reduces our run and carry of the back line, all your shuffles are faster, more agile and quite possibly more aerobic than Ben McKay. You rob Peter to pay Paul, and do nothing to address the Midfield issue if the KPP that goes down is our one and only viable ruck. Thank god you aren't our coach.