AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

[Thryleon]

You know, I'm not against anyone getting a game anywhere at any time, but in the VFL the bullants vs the blues was the equivalent of West Coast or the current Richmond seniors vs North Melbourne.  Both teams have 1 win for the year.

The AFL listed players (all of them) were borderline competitive at this level and guys like Cahill, Ramshaw, Jean-Luc Vellissaris, McMahon were the ones who were the better of the lot playing. 

Carroll the only one truly knocking on the door and even he wasnt above the standard.

[ElwoodBlues1]

You know, I'm not against anyone getting a game anywhere at any time, but in the VFL the bullants vs the blues was the equivalent of West Coast or the current Richmond seniors vs North Melbourne.  Both teams have 1 win for the year.

The AFL listed players (all of them) were borderline competitive at this level and guys like Cahill, Ramshaw, Jean-Luc Vellissaris, McMahon were the ones who were the better of the lot playing. 

Carroll the only one truly knocking on the door and even he wasnt above the standard.

Reality is the Bullants are very ordinary but they still had more standout players imho.
eg The big kid Elliott , son of Matthew the cricketer is clearly AFL bound and looks to have more potential than Lemmey, McMahon etc. I thought our VFL players were better than the AFL players with the exception of Carroll who played wide of his opponents and got plenty of ball but for some reason I remain 50/50 on his future as a senior player.

[DJC]

Reality is the Bullants are very ordinary but they still had more standout players imho.
eg The big kid Elliott , son of Matthew the cricketer is clearly AFL bound and looks to have more potential than Lemmey, McMahon etc. I thought our VFL players were better than the AFL players with the exception of Carroll who played wide of his opponents and got plenty of ball but for some reason I remain 50/50 on his future as a senior player.

Carroll has to perform like that in every VFL game he plays and has to show more when he's in the AFL squad.  It can't be easy coming on as the sub but, if that's his lot, he has to make the most of it.

It's hard to know what to make of our VFL side and the AFL listed players running around in it.  I suspect that it's lacking too much talent and experience and those blokes with a bit of ability are being overwhelmed.  I've said it before but I would have loved to see Ed Curnow as captain of our VFL side, even if for just one season.

Anyway, this is a discussion for a VFL thread.

[Thryleon]

Reality is the Bullants are very ordinary but they still had more standout players imho.
eg The big kid Elliott , son of Matthew the cricketer is clearly AFL bound and looks to have more potential than Lemmey, McMahon etc. I thought our VFL players were better than the AFL players with the exception of Carroll who played wide of his opponents and got plenty of ball but for some reason I remain 50/50 on his future as a senior player.

Jorgensen was very impressive, as was Cahill and Ramshaw too.  Lemmey wasnt terrible, but again, given the quality of opponent should have been well on top.  Mirkov would be the only one who could potentially give us something at AFL level because he is an awkward size and shape, but I would rather see him against a mason cox than anyone else in the AFL.

[Professer E]

The likes of Lemmy is well into his second second season and shown 7/8ths of F-all.  Others like Cowan and Cinch have come on a lot, but I get the feeling that their improvement has no come via time in the twos

[PaulP]

Coaches' votes :

9 Sam Walsh (CARL)
7 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
6 Jason Horne-Francis (PORT)
6 Tom De Koning (CARL)
1 Aliir Aliir (PORT)
1 Nicholas Newman (CARL)

[Gointocarlton]

Not sure if this was discussed but

https://bit.ly/4bZFMPl

The bloke can coach

[madbluboy]

Yeah I saw it yesterday. Masterful coaching.

[kruddler]

Smart coaching by vossy.

However....I'd like to see this kind of 'genius' against a team he didnt spend 7 years at coaching previously.

Vossy has been picked apart a couple times this year by tactics and it's good he got one back, but perhaps he knew how they'd play because he was one of the people who set it up while he was there.

[LP]

Vossy has been picked apart a couple times this year by tactics and it's good he got one back, but perhaps he knew how they'd play because he was one of the people who set it up while he was there.

It's a bit subjective to assert the blame for some events are coaching, we might think that is the case but we can't be sure, it's quite possibly some cases were a players failure to follow or execute instructions.

All we can say is "if" the tactics were the result of coaching that would / might be a coaching fail.

Last Thursday a lot of us rated the team an "A", I did as well, but I also stated in another thread I thought it was a poor night for both coaches. Neither coach seemed to react well to the opposition tactics, but was the perceived response poor performance or was it deliberately keeping some powder dry for later in the season?

Team tactics are a bit like a Trojan Horse, you don't want to open the lid too early.