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AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
The first issue we faced with Fantasia was getting him on the park.
Having achieved that, it's keeping him on the park.
The next is how much he can contribute, and that may need to be assessed with some time in VFL  as well as AFL

It's nothing special at the moment, but we are only halfway through the year.

I said earlier that I noticed him more on Thursday than in previous games but
That may be as good as it gets or...

It may be he's gradually working his way into the team structure and into some form.
Or it may just fizzle out and see him play the year in the VFL.

Pressure for his spot needs to come from below, and 15 minutes into the first at VFL level today there not much coming.

(Getting better now)
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Jack Carroll the only one truly staking a claim.

Getting spanked by the bottom side with a wind advantage.

I dont think you can read much into this for any player.


"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
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Fantasia got 20+ touches and a goal in the VFL. Big gap between the two comps.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
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(06-02-2024, 04:52 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Fantasia got 20+ touches and a goal in the VFL. Big gap between the two comps.
Carroll got 32 touches today
Billy Wilson got 24 today
Binns got 21 and a goal today
Durdin got 15 and a goal

All are younger and have performed to the same level as Fantasia (or better)

Carroll had 2 tackles in 19% TOG on Thursday and backed it up today
Fantasia had 2 tackles in 55% TOG on Thursday
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(06-02-2024, 08:38 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Carroll got 32 touches today
Billy Wilson got 24 today
Binns got 21 and a goal today
Durdin got 15 and a goal

All are younger and have performed to the same level as Fantasia (or better)

Carroll had 2 tackles in 19% TOG on Thursday and backed it up today
Fantasia had 2 tackles in 55% TOG on Thursday
But do they run the “right patterns” ?
Do they clog the oppositions midfield when we need to defend and present an option/get out of the way when attacking ?
I think there’s too much micro managing on what Orazio/Durdin don’t do (kick goals)
Let’s go BIG !
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Carroll was playing inside the contest but his opponent ran off him all day and when the bullants won the contest they were damaging.

He was playing like cripps without the ability to win the midfield battle.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
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(06-02-2024, 08:38 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Carroll got 32 touches today
Billy Wilson got 24 today
Binns got 21 and a goal today
Durdin got 15 and a goal

All are younger and have performed to the same level as Fantasia (or better)

Carroll had 2 tackles in 19% TOG on Thursday and backed it up today
Fantasia had 2 tackles in 55% TOG on Thursday

Did you watch the game stats man? Clearly not.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
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(06-02-2024, 08:38 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Carroll got 32 touches today
Billy Wilson got 24 today
Binns got 21 and a goal today
Durdin got 15 and a goal

All are younger and have performed to the same level as Fantasia (or better)

Carroll had 2 tackles in 19% TOG on Thursday and backed it up today
Fantasia had 2 tackles in 55% TOG on Thursday

Did you watch the game?

Carroll was OK but his opponent touched him up.  No-one else is putting their hand up for a game so Carroll probably stays in the 23.

Binns is probably most able to do the role Fantasia is currently doing.  He has the tank for it but he hasn’t yet developed a defensive side to his game, is too easily brushed aside, and his disposal could be better.

Wilson shows promise but he’s a small defender who needs time to develop and would be exploited at AFL level.

Durdin got a bit of the ball today but not nearly as much as he should have.  A disappointing, poor effort from a bloke who should be fighting for a spot in our AFL team.

Fantasia is safe … for now.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball
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(06-02-2024, 10:28 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Did you watch the game stats man? Clearly not.

LOL....seems a few people missed the irony.

You posted stat's....and nothing else.
So did I.

As you and others pointed out, stat's don't tell the whole picture....which was my point.
Fantasia simply doesn't do enough. So he got some more stat's, doesn't change the fact he does that do enough.

For the record, I watched half the vfl game today.

I find it difficult doing comparisons between vfl and afl since vfl is played in howling wind on a second rate surface with second rate umpires and second rate teamates and the afl is played in near perfect conditions on near perfect grounds....

Give some of the kids a chance to play in afl conditions and their output will magically improve.
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(06-02-2024, 12:57 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Give some of the kids a chance to play in afl conditions and their output will magically improve.

Give our kids a game in the AFL before they’re ready and we’ll probably throw the game and set their careers back.  We didn’t see much magical improvement from Samo, LOB, Polson, and Dow!

Of course, the MC doesn’t just go on key match day indicators but takes into account what happens at training … and while we don’t know how Fantasia is going versus Durdin, etc, team selection gives us a fair idea.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball
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