AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

[LP]

I felt TDK as our solo ruck worked OK against Witts solo, whether it's TDK or Pitto solo against Witts making a difference I don't now, how long is a piece of string.

I also don't know what happens if we have both against a solo Witts, but I suspect when Pitto is in good form alongside TDK they make a very powerful combo, it's the same as what happened to Gawn. I doubt we'll overlook that opportunity when it presents.

I thought TDK / Witts broke about even today, with TDK having the general play and Witts having the stoppages, but Witts win was deconstructed by Cripps, Walsh and Hewett so that's a good outcome for us. However, with Cripps and Walsh playing like that I can't see things getting worse for us if we are stoppage dominant in the ruck.

Williams had significant game influence today, fans seem reluctant to give him credit where credit is due. For me his F50 success highlights a fundamental contributing cause of our failings over the last few weeks. How can it be a rookie SF like Williams gets in all the right spaces, while relatively more seasoned SFs like Fantasia, Owies and Durdin cannot?

[ElwoodBlues1]

Gold Coast were an easy kill imho and I wouldnt be reading too much into the result or player performance good or bad.....Williams had a decent game which is good but he needs to build trust with a string of good games before we pin a medal on him.
Conversely I wouldnt be throwing Owies and Fantasia under the bus either for having mediocre games and would want to see how they all go vs better quality teams starting with Port next game.
Obviously Witts had a picnic in the hitouts like he usually does but I thought TDK played a very complete game and was more effective around the ground and for all Witts hitouts our midfield led by Cripps and Walsh won the day easily ...

[kruddler]

Some free kick numbers.
At 3/4 time it was 4-14 (I screenshotted to a friend)
It was then 5-15, 6-16 and then we got the last 5 jn a row to 'even it up' to 11-16....and some of them were definitely not there.

I've never heard the crowd chant "bull-$h!t" so many times in a game. At least 3 times it was loud and clear and directed at the umps. There was also the 'umpire is a wanker' chant that was brought out of retirement too.
When you have 40k at the game and a coach talking about the umps you know something needs to be looked at.

Thankfully, we managed to come out of it with a win anyway.

[Lods]

Some free kick numbers.
At 3/4 time it was 4-14 (I screenshotted to a friend)
It was then 5-15, 6-16 and then we got the last 5 jn a row to 'even it up' to 11-16....and some of them were definitely not there.

I've never heard the crowd chant "bull-$h!t" so many times in a game. At least 3 times it was loud and clear and directed at the umps. There was also the 'umpire is a wanker' chant that was brought out of retirement too.
When you have 40k at the game and a coach talking about the umps you know something needs to be looked at.

Thankfully, we managed to come out of it with a win anyway.

Yep
Voss in his press conference was pretty clear.
Umpire decisions are something that he doesn't normally dwell on...at least not publicly.
For him to mention it, meant he found some of the decisions a bit baffling.
He trod a fine line, stating that it's something we need 'clarification' on because the umpires are obviously interpeting things a little different to us and the way we're instructing players.

In other words....he thought they were "bullsh**t " decisions too.

[Baggers]

No, Tom didn’t get smashed in the ruck.  Witts got more hitouts but few ended up as GC clearances.  Most of Tom’s hitouts resulted in a clearance to us, and Tom’s second and third efforts at stoppages played a big part in that.

Tom had twice as many effective disposals than Witts and took important marks around the ground. Witts was a virtually a non-event around the ground, apart from the goal he was gifted.

From what I could see, Tom went to the bench for running repairs and because he had no gas in his tank.

Exactamundo. TDK looked like a man hungry for the contest; hungry to prove something - and he did.

But what a conundrum. Pitto is also a ripper. We love him. He is different to TDK and his point of difference is really effective in its own way. Perhaps a horses for courses situation? There might be times for both, times for Pitto and rest TDK, then vice versa.

[Baggers]

Williams had significant game influence today, fans seem reluctant to give him credit where credit is due. For me his F50 success highlights a fundamental contributing cause of our failings over the last few weeks. How can it be a rookie SF like Williams gets in all the right spaces, while relatively more seasoned SFs like Fantasia, Owies and Durdin cannot?

Yep.

What Williams did as a small forward is probably what we were expecting/hoping from Fantasia, and Durdin. Opposition sides will put time into Williams now, so that's a hurdle to tackle. But what I really liked was his instinctual goal sense, and when it was time to hold the aggot in our forward line, his defensive work was front and centre. Ripper.

Should we find a fit and in form small forwards trio of Martin, Motlop & Williams... drool. As an opposition defense how would you like to have to quell Charles, H, Martin, Motlop & Williams? And add to that the hardness and tackling pressure of Fog... more drooling.

[Baggers]

Umpiring - I don't want to go there, but the numbers don't lie: we had 3 frees in three quarters of the game. That is just ridiculous.

The number of times I saw blokes take on the tackler, then get caught without a correct disposal, was considerable. Has been for weeks. Dropping the ball has also been diluted. Plenty of times over the weeks I've seen blokes, again take on the tackler, and the ball is dislodged in the tackle to fall without correct disposal by foot or hand resulting in play on or ball up.

[tex]

Yep.

What Williams did as a small forward is probably what we were expecting/hoping from Fantasia, and Durdin. Opposition sides will put time into Williams now, so that's a hurdle to tackle. But what I really liked was his instinctual goal sense, and when it was time to hold the aggot in our forward line, his defensive work was front and centre. Ripper.

Should we find a fit and in form small forwards trio of Martin, Motlop & Williams... drool. As an opposition defense how would you like to have to quell Charles, H, Martin, Motlop & Williams? And add to that the hardness and tackling pressure of Fog... more drooling.

I’d rather Owies than Martin. At least owies plays a full season

[PaulP]

Voss will hopefully always pick 22/23 that gives us the best chance of winning a game of footy, which will vary week to week based on injury, opposition match ups etc. If Martin and Owies are both available and competing for the same role, Martin will always get the nod, and rightly so. What happens at season's end in terms of list management is a whole other issue.

[kruddler]

Credit to TDK. He put the disaster that was last week behind him and put in one of his best games for us. With a lot of PBs to his name.

First time of over 20 touches, had 25!
15 contested possessions beats his previous best of 14.
10 clearances for the game. Previous best 9.
15 handballs beats his previous best of 11.
He also had 9 hitouts to advantage with you can't find bests for, but that would have to be right up there with his best if not his best as well.

That being said, he still had potential to do more. His opponent Witts couldn't keep up with him, so could've become more of a marking target around the ground for us by running off him a bit more.

It has reopened the old debate though. What do you do when you have 2 #1 rucks who don't have a second position. TDK up forward last week was embarrassing. Pitto has definitely played more consistently as the first ruck.

If Pitto is right next week, what do we do?
Both deserve #1 ruck. Both don't deserve to be relegated to the 2's. Both in the side is far from ideal.