AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

[Baggers]

That's how it's umpired, paying the Elliott frees is fair enough but Harry got nothing for the same holding treatment down the other end and I think that's what's irking a few fans .

Glad you mentioned this. The illegal tactics used on H and Charles, in particular, are, to be blunt, horrendous. And the blocking of Crippa is something I hope the club brings to the attention of the AFL. Pronto.

[Baggers]

wait, wait, wait … just watched the Sunday Footy Show highlighting how they blocked Cripps at every centre bounce.

I mean, COME ON. If that sort of treatment doesn’t warrant a rule change I don’t know what does.

So the ball is NOT in play, there’s NO actual contest yet, in some instances the location was more than 10 metres away from where the ball was about to be bounced, and the opposing player did NOT have eyes for the ball.

So if you take your eyes off the ball and look at your opponent for a split second in a marking contest it’s a free every single time.

Also an instant free for “blocking” if the player’s path to a marking contest is impeded.

Why is that treated differently?

Of course, nothing new here - has been happening for years, and not just to Cripps.  McCrae is portrayed as the good guy but I think this belies his Sheedy- or Clarkson-like approach to pushing things to the limit. He was even astute enough to make Pendlebury the blocker knowing he’s an ump favourite who has the footballing IQ to disguise the blocks.

Which brings me to Pendelbury’s last centre clearance - did he or did he not head straight for the boundary line?
Great observation from one commentator that doing that is win/win. If the ump pings him for “insufficient intent” it gives them time to set up behind the ball. If the ump is too gutless to make the call it’s a throw in just far enough away from goal.

You can bet the family home that if the same tactics were done to Pendlebury, there'd be a hue and cry... and he'd get plenty of free kicks!

So glad the footy show highlighted this. In effect, opposition clubs are using illegal tactics to blunt our strengths - I include H and Charles in this as well.

[Gointocarlton]

That's how it's umpired, paying the Elliott frees is fair enough but Harry got nothing for the same holding treatment down the other end and I think that's what's irking a few fans .

Not paying the ones to Harry doesnt make the Elliot ones not there. Point is he panicked everytime the ball csme to them

[kruddler]

I confess to being absolutely baffled when it comes to 'holding the man,' 'dropping the ball,' 'incorrect disposal' and 'holding the ball' unless blatantly obvious. Totally confused. It used to be pretty clear cut, but now it seems there are tolerable grey areas for all these which only creates further confusion in an already difficult to adjudicate game. But with these tolerated grey areas you end up with too much individual umpire interpretation. Some times you can watch one game, then another, and swear there were different rules for each! Result? Inconsistency... the continual complaint from supporters.

Just one example: There was a time where if you took possession of the aggot and tackled, and the ball was dislodged - automatic free kick against... regardless.

The AFL needs, on Monday mornings, to explain contentious frees and non-frees to educate us so we can better understand how the game is adjudicated.

One way to make it easier for umpires, players and supporters alike....

Remove prior opportunity.

Less grey area equals less margin for error.

Could also lead to an overall jump in free kicks given making the odd one that goes against you less influencial overall.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Not paying the ones to Harry doesnt make the Elliot ones not there. Point is he panicked everytime the ball csme to them

Agree....I think its obvious ZW isnt comfortable back on the last line and the selection of opponent is important and while Im not defending him giving away the free's I feel the coaching staff have to wear some of the blame.
You have another nervous defender in Young plus two inexperienced players in Cowan and Cincotta and the pressure is a lot different to when you have regulars like Saad, McGovern and even Docherty down back.
Elliott needs a taller player to control his marking ability and ZW isnt a strong overhead player or suited, I'll repeat that with McGovern out I would never have dropped Kemp and either used him on Elliott or at least used him to provide cover for Williams.

[LP]

Glad you mentioned this. The illegal tactics used on H and Charles, in particular, are, to be blunt, horrendous. And the blocking of Crippa is something I hope the club brings to the attention of the AFL. Pronto.

Umpires pinged Pitto for "blocking", using straight arms in the ruck, I thought that was allowed in 2024?

But shepherding Cripps off the ball is all OK with the opponents often having their back to the footy, although the bigger bodied opponents are now basically pushing back into Cripps and holding him momentarily behind their back.

[LP]

He put his arms around him, once you do that youre gone.

Go back and watch the replay, Walsh is basically in a bear hug every other stoppage with arms around his waist, nada, nothing, nought!

Fans want to whack Williams, but what he did players do all the time and do not get pinged. The willingness of fans to throw rocks at Williams goes back to when he signed on, fans bitched and moaned about the dollars, but that is not Williams fault, much like it wasn't the fault of Martin or McGovern before him. But the dollars put him in the sh1thouse with many fans forever more, with the dollars promoting some weird sort of tall poppy syndrome!

Then you have the intentional out of bounds, our bloke gets pinged for a kick off the side of the boot that dribbles past 3 or 4 players, Pendlebury kicks it 50m almost directly sideways in the dying moments and gets away with it. When Pendlebury kicked there wasn't a player within 35m of where the ball headed.

These are game changing moments caused by officials not good play by an opponent.

I get our club doesn't want to be seen as whinging, but if they are raising these issues in a very public way it's never going to go our way. The privacy does nothing, we need the AFL giving fans a public explanation. When the AFL officials get sick of making up excuses, the errors will diminish.

[Gointocarlton]

Go back and watch the replay, Walsh is basically in a bear hug every other stoppage with arms around his waist, nada, nothing, nought!

Fans want to whack Williams, but what he did players do all the time and do not get pinged. The willingness of fans to throw rocks at Williams goes back to when he signed on, fans bitched and moaned about the dollars, but that is not Williams fault, much like it wasn't the fault of Martin or McGovern before him. But the dollars put him in the sh1thouse with many fans forever more with the dollars equating to tall poppy syndrome!

Then you have the intentional out of bounds, our bloke gets pinged for a kick off the side of the boot, Pendlebury kicks it 50m almost directly sideways in the dying moments and gets away with it.

These are game changing moments caused by officials not good play by an opponent.

I get our club doesn't want to be seen as whinging, but if they are raising these issues in a very public way it's never going to go our way. The privacy does nothing, we need the AFL giving fans a public explanation. When the AFL officials get sick of making up excuses, the errors will diminish.

I dont need to watch anything, I saw it the first time.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Go back and watch the replay, Walsh is basically in a bear hug every other stoppage with arms around his waist, nada, nothing, nought!

Fans want to whack Williams, but what he did players do all the time and do not get pinged. The willingness of fans to throw rocks at Williams goes back to when he signed on, fans bitched and moaned about the dollars, but that is not Williams fault, much like it wasn't the fault of Martin or McGovern before him. But the dollars put him in the sh1thouse with many fans forever more with the dollars equating to tall poppy syndrome!

Then you have the intentional out of bounds, our bloke gets pinged for a kick off the side of the boot, Pendlebury kicks it 50m almost directly sideways in the dying moments and gets away with it.

These are game changing moments caused by officials not good play by an opponent.

I get our club doesn't want to be seen as whinging, but if they are raising these issues in a very public way it's never going to go our way. The privacy does nothing, we need the AFL giving fans a public explanation. When the AFL officials get sick of making up excuses, the errors will diminish.

Frees were even overall and we cant mask the errors we made by blaming umpires....the Pendlebury kick was 50/50 imo and we wouldnt want that paid against us in the same situation.....if he had a man on him at the ball up we wouldnt have had an issue like when he kicked that important goal from an easy leadup mark inside 50 where some lazy Carlton opponent didnt pick him up and he was miles in the clear.

[Thryleon]

Frees were even overall and we cant mask the errors we made by blaming umpires....the Pendlebury kick was 50/50 imo and we wouldnt want that paid against us in the same situation.....if he had a man on him at the ball up we wouldnt have had an issue like when he kicked that important goal from an easy leadup mark inside 50 where some lazy Carlton opponent didnt pick him up and he was miles in the clear.

The count might have been even but the infringing wasn't and paying a free kick instead of a mark at times makes it even.  Ignoring the ones that were there and paying twiggy touchwood ones are the problem.