AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

[Gointocarlton]

He was well beaten tonight.

Really? I didn't think so.

[Gointocarlton]

Well we should give a 3rd pick + Williams + 30% of salary to whoever wants to take him.

Enough is enough.

Ill second that, problem is no one will take him.

[Gointocarlton]

Well he can't defend and should not be in our backline.

Been tried in the midfield and that was a disaster.

[Gointocarlton]

re: Williams......a nervous player when played down back and and when you add Young plus two inexperienced defenders in Cowan and Cincotta it puts a lot of pressure on Weitering to be the glue thats holds the backline together.
I think Williams has to play on the weakest small forward and never on the last line close to goal and my preference if he has to play is on the wing where he use his skillset to carry the ball and deliver and be removed from having to mind a man.
I cant see him in the team when we have our full crew back and ditto for Fantasia and Durdin.

He doesn't have the engine or the brute strength to play the modern wingers role (ie Acres and Cottrell).

[blueday]

We badly miss Docherty. He is a steadying influence and he does the clutch things that win and save games.

We miss Jack Silvagni, because he can do all sorts of the jobs.
Our 3 tall forwards are not the problem in themselves, although I was bitterly disappointed in Charlie tonight. He doesn't work hard enough when he doesn't have the ball. It was really obvious. And when he could have stood up, he was beaten in one on ones and the ball left our forward line too easily. The problem with our forward setup is that our smalls are not keeping the ball in and they're not being dangerous.
H played a great game, but his last kick into the forward line probably lost us the game. Had he been able to get his kick to advantage of one of our players, we would have won the game than and there. Instead, he turned it over and the ball went up the other end. Hell, if he'd bombed it and he scored a point, it might have been enough. But just giving it away was lethal.

One of the things that was really obvious was our lack of leg speed.
Another was that we didn't tag Nick Daicos. Smother Daicos and they lose that midfield drive.

Spot on. Charlie is either carrying something or lazy. His attack on the ball in space or chasing someoe with the ball is non existent. I'm hoping he is injured because it was terrible. Also 1:1 contests down the wing, be in front please....

[Gointocarlton]

We badly miss Docherty. He is a steadying influence and he does the clutch things that win and save games.

We miss Jack Silvagni, because he can do all sorts of the jobs.
Our 3 tall forwards are not the problem in themselves, although I was bitterly disappointed in Charlie tonight. He doesn't work hard enough when he doesn't have the ball. It was really obvious. And when he could have stood up, he was beaten in one on ones and the ball left our forward line too easily. The problem with our forward setup is that our smalls are not keeping the ball in and they're not being dangerous.
H played a great game, but his last kick into the forward line probably lost us the game. Had he been able to get his kick to advantage of one of our players, we would have won the game than and there. Instead, he turned it over and the ball went up the other end. Hell, if he'd bombed it and he scored a point, it might have been enough. But just giving it away was lethal.

One of the things that was really obvious was our lack of leg speed.
Another was that we didn't tag Nick Daicos. Smother Daicos and they lose that midfield drive.

Charlie seems very clumsy at the moment, he is horribly out of form. His touch seems to have abandoned him. He used to turn blokes inside out at will. Still, hard to pot superstars when you have so many non contributors.

[laj]

Think we’re due for a players meeting at Ed Curnows house. We were outworked, made poor decisions at critical moments and worryingly we seem to have lost the ability to switch the play, shift the opposition defence and then take on the corridor kick.

Our lack of depth and durability is also killing us - we simply can’t keep carrying 6 players who miss a big chunk of most years (Marchbank, McGovern, Williams, Martin, Cunningham, Fantasia) and expect to compete.  4 or more of that group have to go and we should also stamp the papers of Young whilst we are at it.

Our depth is probably ok as we push the best with half a side out. I'm more worried about the manner of losses. Been very disappointed in the workrate. In each loss we have lost it more than the other side winning it. What was the pressure rating of 145 in the 2nd qtr. Be a near record low. That was the qtr the actual game was lost. Just not switching on as we should. A decent 2nd qtr for us and the Pies were done.

A couple of those 6 we don't need but the rest, well, we need badly right now.

[Baggers]

A pretty good effort considering we were down three players for most of the evening - small Durds, Fantasia & Williams were liabilities. And Chugga being the sub was silly.

I thought the backline, considering the number of Rottingwood forward entries and Williams gifting them goals, did really well.

Again with a fifteen minute lapse in concentration in the 2nd qtr - in hindsight, that's when we lost too much. We were 'hunted' and wilted.

Presently, we're where we belong on the ladder, but just a fleas eyelash from top 4, especially with better small forward talent - Motlop, Martin & Fogarty.

I wonder if George H was a bit crook with the flu, not his usual standard? And not enough from Cunners.

[PaulP]

Voss didn't seem too upset in his post match presser.

[LP]

Walsh, Harry, Pitto, Cripps basically played four quarters with an opponent arm around their waist like Williams did to Elliott, and not one free for it.

5 clearances in the opening quarter, then the umpires went back to the old ruck rules, that is adjudication by opinion. TDK gets penalised if he jumps at opponents like Cox started jumping at Pitto.