AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

[blueday]

I think we need to try TDK back, Pitto ruck. Gov, Kemp or Young don't look to be the second key back. One of them plays as the 3rd, which ever is fit apparently. We can't play H, Charlie and TDK fwd at the same time. Badly miss a third hybrid fwd like SOS or Martin. No wonder the interest in the kid from Sydney.

[madbluboy]

No Fogarty, No Carlton.

[Gointocarlton]

No Fogarty, No Carlton.

We definitely missed his defence pressure fwd of centre, their mids and defenders just walked through us.

[pinot]

Don't forget Owies kicked a goal and wasn't paid

[crashlander]

We were ordinary when it mattered and allowed the Adelaide forwards far too much space.
Walker seems to have Weitering beaten between the ears.
Pitto was our best ruck. Tom was useless on the ball and delivered little as a forward.  he had to have a down game, but I really hate it to be against Adelaide, whom I despise!
Our midfield work was terrible; Adelaide just walked it out. We probably got as many centre clearances in the end, but ours were ordinary and under pressure. No such thing the other way.

Fantasia has to go back to the VFL: he was very ordinary today and provided us with nothing. We were killed on the ground in our forward line. Corey Durdin wasn't a lot better, but he was down as well. Three tackles this week, which wasn't enough.
Matt Owies: robbed of a goal in the 3rd quarter and then has the worst brain fade in history in the last few minutes. Either of those, and it is game over. But he had only 9 possessions, double Fantasia's number.

Ollie H didn't have a great game. He needs to discover his run again. Elijah was also off the pace today, but he did do some very nice things. He'll probably survive. Carroll may not: almost invisible.

[Mantis]

Next game is the start of the losing streak. Thank the gods it is earlier than last season. We are not top 4 contenders just yet.  We had this one in the bag and in a way, I am glad we lost this opportunity. We are not top 4 material by any measure. Close only wins by the majority of games. Eventually you lose a few close game
s by the rules of Karma. Our next 4 weeks could have us win not a single game. Back into the battlers group still struggling to get into the top 8. Voss needs to do some serious talking and motivating. A bad period could have us lose our next 5. At a guess we will be lucky to get 3 wins in the next 5 games. More likely to be 2. Maybe 1. Not doom and gloom, but we had this one game in the bag against a side that struggled to play any side so far this season. We need much more work between the ears. Better game day selection of players. Less need for Walsh to carry the entire squad. He is only playing his first game this season if I am correct? We need to learn how to keep a lead on the scoreboard. We need to learn how to defend better. We still need to work on endurance and how to find speed by foot when the going gets tough. Not happy with the result at all. Glad we lost if we learn from the experience. Adelaide of all sides. Really? GWS by 5 goals next game.

[Lods]

No VFL/AFL team has ever gone through the season undefeated.
Someday one will. It may even be a Carlton side.
That team will be a great team.
We’re not yet a great team, we’re not even our best team… not by a long shot, with quite a number of our players out, or injured during the game.
Our forward line was missing Fogarty, Motlop, Martin, Cunningham  all of who are in the mix for our best side.
Our defence was missing Marchbank, then Saad and McGovern
Cerra goes out of the midfield, and we’re a bit depleted.

The first loss of the season always stings.
It stings even more when it’s a team we thought we would account for easily.

But Adelaide did a number on us last year and did their homework well. We were out coached on the day. There were elements of the Fremantle approach in some passages yesterday as we struggled to move the ball out of defence.
So naturally there is a bit of disappointment, even anger and we’re looking for reasons.
Had we snuck over the line that would have largely disappeared.
We’d be looking for heroes, not villains.

But we weren’t awful…except some of our finishing.
The effort seemed to be there.
So many moments…Owies had two that could have changed the game
Had Owies not tripped over his own feet (or the Adelaide players feet)  near the end it may have been a different story.
Had the goal Owies kicked been counted (An umpire should never say "I believe it was touched". They either saw the touch or they didn’t. So the soft call when it’s inconclusive must always be a goal)…different story

Just on the two- ruck situation. It’s not as cut and dried as some believe. The replacement of a ruck/tall with a small mid-field running player has to be viewed in terms of plusses and minuses.
The gain of the running player must be seem in terms of the cost of what you lose by omitting the tall/ruck. There may be an advantage…but the gap may not be as huge as we may think. Pittonet gave us a bit especially early on…but yes, it may have cost us later in the game.
Playing two wasn’t the issue, as much as playing a ruck to replace Cerra was.
With Saad and McGovern going down a lot of our drive disappeared as rotations were affected. Williams also seemed to be struggling at stages and may have had to stay on because of the injuries.
In that situation a second ruck may have cost us and Cincotta would have been handy when Saad was injured.
But looking at the bigger picture…This was Pittonet’s first game of the year. and he wasn’t too bad considering. More than anything he needs a bit of game time. (He only got half a game yesterday) Does that affect TDK’s performance. You can look at it that way, based on this game, but making judgements based on one game is fraught with danger. You would have to believe that there is a bit of a plan regarding the ruck situation going forward, and managing that will be a bit tricky. The more Tom and Marc play together the better the understanding they’ll develop. Whether they’ll be given that opportunity is up to the coaches.

[Gointocarlton]

[member=906]Lods[/member] Nice summation. RE the Owies no goal call, I haven't seen the vision as I was at the game so not sure how clear cut it is. My guess is if it was clear cut, the ARC would have reversed the call and paid the goal. Even so, swings and roundabouts, we were on the right end of a missed touched call last week, the reverse this week perhaps.
Take a Cerra and a Saad out of any side and your going to struggle, especially an in game loss like Saad (at least Cerra we had time to plan for it, I personally wouldnt have picked a Ruckman to come in).
What disappoints me most is getting beaten by something you know (and has happened before). Walker fair enough, great footballer and a beautiful set shot for goal. But Ben Keays? Gimme a spell, he was given far too much latitude...again.
I sat behind the goals and their ball movement out of defence seemed effortless, too much so for my liking in fact.
To often yesterday our blokes were a little too happy to sit off and wait for the TO that didn't come. In game adjustment was non existent (to my eye at least).
Speed is a concern for us and next weeks match up is not a good one in that regard and I think we will get exposed again. It will be interesting to see what the coaching staff do to combat the orange tsunami.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Weitering will do better on Hogan than the more physical Walker and I'd expect TDK to do better vs Briggs who isnt at the same level as O'Brien.
Toby Greene will be the main problem, played on our old mate Liam Stocker vs the Saints who did a decent job on him but he doesn't play too many average games and might be due for a big one..

[LP]

Weitering will do better on Hogan than the more physical Walker and I'd expect TDK to do better vs Briggs who isnt at the same level as O'Brien.
Toby Greene will be the main problem, played on our old mate Liam Stocker vs the Saints who did a decent job on him but he doesn't play too many average games and might be due for a big one..

Who's taking Toby, Williams or Newman are probably front runners, maybe someone like Cottrell could also give him some time. I think it was Newman / Cincotta last time we played them that shared the duty, they kept Green scoreless but he still had a heap of influence.