AI and creativity.

[Lods]

Just had a listen to the new Beatles song "Now and Then"
Lennon's AI generated voice sounds tinny and artificial.
It only resembles the Beatles when the chorus kicks in but even then it's a pretty average song and more reminiscent of Lennon's post Beatles material.

It's still likely to be a hit, but sometimes it's better to leave well enough alone.

[Thryleon]

I had the weirdest experience with packet transfer this week at work.  We have some SSL VPN tunnels which sends encrypted data from our on premises Firewall to our cloud provider.  Effectively, the traffic to and from premises is encrypted and when data is transferred its broken up into ESP packets.  These tunnels once established a fairly bullet proof and only re-authenticate without dropping.  For about a week we started having an issue where we couldnt contact the cloud through that link, and ended up having to drop the tunnels and bring them back up to fix it.  20 minutes of down time each time, nothing too serious but then an investigation into root cause.  The fact they re-established after dropping means configuration wasnt the issue.

Now these packets are encrypted, and the way it works is when you have large amounts of data, its broken up into smaller amounts, encrypted, and then sent down this tunnel via an internet connection, which will arrive the other side, and be re-assembled in order.  The tunnel is a public connection with a public and private key pair.  This is complex but not a big deal, nothing will usually go wrong there.

  We ran some analysis, could see capture a log of traffic being sent by our firewall, and the cloud provider was not receiving them.  After a couple of days of back and forth trying to work out where the break down was, and also contacting our internet service provider, we setup a sniffer in the middle that would intercept the packets and relay them down the line and upon checking those logs realised that everything fell over at the first hope.  Firewall outbound seemed to not be happening even though it told us it was.

We have two of them in an active passive situation which will ensure if we lose one, stuff doesnt ever break.  We failed over initially and it worked instantly (same config, same connections) and then failed back, and issue was present.  So the (secondary)passive firewall was fine, and the active (primary) one started having the issue  was resolved by simply turning it off, and turning it on again.

We are talking about a device, running a linux operating system, which has one job, that stopped doing its job and is usually the most robust component of the network, have a big issue.  Now, you could argue that AI will re-write the code to prevent this from happening, but the problem is that everything looked fine, and actually wasn't.

THIS is why I don't think we will ever get to a point, where technology can do things properly without simply running commands, because even when we tell them to do something, they have a weird problem where they refuse to do the job they are employed for properly and a simply troubleshoot of drop and re-authenticate only worked for temporary restoration of services before we experienced another issue.  Get these things with AI, and Im not sure how its supposed to analyse whats happening beyond its front door, when we had to implement more devices to actually tell us this information. 

[deepbluesee]

Just had a listen to the new Beatles song "Now and Then"
Lennon's AI generated voice sounds tinny and artificial.
It only resembles the Beatles when the chorus kicks in but even then it's a pretty average song and more reminiscent of Lennon's post Beatles material.

It's still likely to be a hit, but sometimes it's better to leave well enough alone.

I too had a listen. Always an admirer of The Beatles (who isn't)  but not a huge fan (prefer the Stones). My opinion is that 'creating' a new song is better than having it left on an unlistenable cassette but it is hardly a great song.

I was interested to hear the other day 2 Brian Johnson ACDC songs with Bon Scott doing the vocals (via AI). Also a bit tinny sounding I thought but I always way preferred Bon vocals. Where will it end? Maybe me on lead vocals...

[LP]

The problem ultimately becomes a debate about what is consciousness, at some very fine grained level we are all machines, dualism doesn't exist.

We break and we pass, despite millions of years of evolution to get every possible variant just right. Some human or AI designed code has no chance, because the chip it runs on is made from are the same sources of materials as all of us! Human or AI, we are all stardust.

In us a cosmic ray can cause cancer, for an AI a cosmic ray could be instantly fatal.

I've probably offended a large portion of the population just then, the technocrats and the religious! :o

[kruddler]

Ironically, people are looking at this debate in binary fashion.

It works or it doesn't.

The possibility that AI could outperform humans quite easily, while still exhibiting some faults is a very real possibility that does not alleviate the exestensial concerns.

Nobody said AI would be infallible.

[Lods]

Of course....
It's not infallible...its a developing thing...and the ability to reproduce artists work will get better.

McCartney was asked whether he thought John would be on board with the project and his response was an emphatic 'yes.'

It then becomes a matter of an intellectual legacy.
Once an artist passes do they 'or surviving family' have any control how their voices are used and what songs they 'perform'.
They might find the material totally against their style even beliefs...but does it matter, because they're dead?

[Thryleon]

Ironically, people are looking at this debate in binary fashion.

It works or it doesn't.

The possibility that AI could outperform humans quite easily, while still exhibiting some faults is a very real possibility that does not alleviate the exestensial concerns.

Nobody said AI would be infallible.

for my experience above you'll never see me in a driverless vehicle.

[LP]

for my experience above you'll never see me in a driverless vehicle.

That becomes a debate about repetition and reliability, because it's about robotics not AI.

There's a simple philosophy thought experiment related to Occams Razor, built on the concept of the atom.

How many time can you be divided and consciousness remains, when are the pieces so small consciousness goes away?

[kruddler]

Not sure if anyone is aware, but this was done over 10 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P18EdAKuC1U

[Thryleon]

That becomes a debate about repetition and reliability, because it's about robotics not AI.

There's a simple philosophy thought experiment related to Occams Razor, built on the concept of the atom.

How many time can you be divided and consciousness remains, when are the pieces so small consciousness goes away?

Mate, the firewall wigging out and dropping esp packets, is how the driverless vehicle is going to receive external information securely to prevent it being "hacked". 

Those tunnels have been bullet proof for 12 months.  The IT world is an ever evolving beast but that made no sense.

Check out what an IP sec tunnel is. It's dry reading but illuminating.

https://www.cloudflare.com/en-au/learnin...-is-ipsec/