AFL Rd 12 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

[townsendcalling]

Of all the 'ins' Lewis Young seems to be the most forunate based on last week's effort......but he has height, dare I say '2nd ruck height'.  ithink you'll see Young play second banana and spend some time up forward.  He may even simply shadow Grundy and go with him the whole night.

[LP]

Of all the 'ins' Lewis Young seems to be the most forunate based on last week's effort......but he has height, dare I say '2nd ruck height'.  ithink you'll see Young play second banana and spend some time up forward.  He may even simply shadow Grundy and go with him the whole night.

Yep, I hope it's Young doing the 2nd Ruck stuff and leaving SoJ to be part of the KPF lead-up rotation.

For me if we want a 2nd ruck to trail around behind Gawn of Grundy then Young is the right player for the job.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Of all the 'ins' Lewis Young seems to be the most forunate based on last week's effort......but he has height, dare I say '2nd ruck height'.  ithink you'll see Young play second banana and spend some time up forward.  He may even simply shadow Grundy and go with him the whole night.

He will want to be a lot more physical and competitive than he has been in previous games .
A Grasshopper with arthritis would have more presence than he has shown recently...

[LP]

A Grasshopper with arthritis would have more presence than he has shown recently...

Yep, I wonder if he is carrying an injury.

I don't recall his early games at Carlton lacking physical presence, but lately he's looked outright timid.

How much might be psychology versus health and fitness?

fwiw, I've thought as much about Cripps, he has not looked 100% all season, which is my main reason to ask him to consider the captaincy, so he can manage his body better under the huge physical load he puts it through. As a leader, the best thing he might do for the team is have a week or so off! But he won't do it while he is captain, it's not in his DNA to leave his comrades stranded on the front line!

But back to the topic on hand, it's almost a career defining moment for Young and SoJ, they can look at it as a 2nd chance, if they let it slip they may never get a 3rd!

[Gointocarlton]

Dow to be named as sub apparently

[ElwoodBlues1]

Yep, I wonder if he is carrying an injury.

I don't recall his early games at Carlton lacking physical presence, but lately he's looked outright timid.

How much might be psychology versus health and fitness?

fwiw, I've thought as much about Cripps, he has not looked 100% all season, which is my main reason to ask him to consider the captaincy, so he can manage his body better under the huge physical load he puts it through. As a leader, the best thing he might do for the team is have a week or so off! But he won't do it while he is captain, it's not in his DNA to leave his comrades stranded on the front line!

But back to the topic on hand, it's almost a career defining moment for Young and SoJ, they can look at it as a 2nd chance, if they let it slip they may never get a 3rd!

Cripps looks frustrated as much as anything  like he cant be bothered if he loses the initial contest and his opponent gets the ball.
Doesnt seem as keen to run forward and present as a target like he did last season, not sure if thats just him or part of the game plan.

[kruddler]

Cripps looks frustrated as much as anything  like he cant be bothered if he loses the initial contest and his opponent gets the ball.
Doesnt seem as keen to run forward and present as a target like he did last season, not sure if thats just him or part of the game plan.

Last year it worked for Cripps because he was basically told he didn't need to chase and teammates were covering for him.
This was made easier by the amount of time he spent forward.

This year his forward work, ie kicking for goal, has been very average and we are playing a very tall side, so the luxury of him going forward ends up hurting us up forward, and through the midfield.

I know you've seen my suggestion of giving Harry a week off and letting Kennedy/Cripps sharing forward duties to mix things up. Obviously with all our outs from last week, its far from an ideal week to try it, but its something we should look into more.

Personally, even with the injuries, i would've given Cripps the week off and played Dow for a full game.

[blues deluxe]

If that is his stock standard ability, it beggars belief as to why we drafted him in the first place !!

I agree.

The debate is always recruiting vs development and it's hard to say in this case.

No doubt Dow played his best and fairly decent football under Bolton.

The flip side is, silvagni has many many misses for 2 clubs.  Let's see what he does at saints.

Is it the chicken or the egg?

[blues deluxe]

This is my concern, as a inside stoppage player he wins heaps of footy and gets involved in chains of play, but he burns a huge percentage of the ball he uses.

It's an area of the game we are already deplorable at, which makes me question whether or not Dow can ever be selected as an upgrade on what we already have! He won't win more inside footy than Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Cerra or Kennedy, and at his best Dow balls use is no more than equal the worst of them.

Maybe I'm being unfair, but that is what I see.

Fwiw, to be fair to Dow, SoJ got a lot of footy in his VFL appearance and burned just as much of it.

The bodgy ball use is a plague cutting through the club like case of the clap!

Silvagni had an absolute shocker last week.  The amount of dropped marks  fumbling etc was embarrassing.  He wouldn't of been picked if everyone was healthy.  We need to move on from this type of c/d grade " tryer"

It's actually laughable how much latitude he gets in the media , based on his surname.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Last year it worked for Cripps because he was basically told he didn't need to chase and teammates were covering for him.
This was made easier by the amount of time he spent forward.

This year his forward work, ie kicking for goal, has been very average and we are playing a very tall side, so the luxury of him going forward ends up hurting us up forward, and through the midfield.

I know you've seen my suggestion of giving Harry a week off and letting Kennedy/Cripps sharing forward duties to mix things up. Obviously with all our outs from last week, its far from an ideal week to try it, but its something we should look into more.

Personally, even with the injuries, i would've given Cripps the week off and played Dow for a full game.

Id use Kennedy as a target up forward in a full time role and play Dow as a FT mid...Jack wouldnt have played this week if I was on the MC. Did see your idea on Harry and I like lateral thinking but I'm looking at Melbourne without Petty this week and thinking I'm going to give Harry one more chance to atone for his previous inconsistencies and try and exploit Melbourne being shorter down back and force May and Lever to play on a man rather than just intercept and rebound..