AFL Rd 11 2023 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Sydney

[Macca37]

For so many years, despite numerous senior coaches and assistant coaches,  we still have a team that looks like we have selected a group of players that have never met before to play in a scratch match.

[Thryleon]

I suggested we do it last week, i demand we do it this week.
Drop Harry.

He is a liability.

He is dropping marks. The ones he takes he can't kick. We are wasted our entries inside 50 going to him. He is useless once the ball hits the ground.
So why are we playing him??

Harry out. Bring back SOJ as 3rd tall and let TDK play from the square.

Cripps, i don't care what miracle you can perform during the week on that ankle. Have the week off champ. Bring Dow in.

Hewitt....will be forced to have a rest. Bring Ed in from the sub vest.

Newman....will be done with a hamstring....bring back Cincotta after his efforts in the 2's.

Hollands....will be an out. Bring back LOB

Durdin....needs a rest. Bring in Fisher and reward his effort in the 2's.

If Kennedy needs a rest, bring in Fogarty.

Give Cowan the sub vest.


OUT: Harry, Hollands, Hewitt, Durdin, Newman, Cripps, (Kennedy)
IN: SOJ, LOB, Ed, Fisher, Cincotta, Dow, (Fogarty)
SUB: Cowan.

I suggested it weeks ago.

[ElwoodBlues1]

The issue is EB who's responsible for our gameplan the constant bombing on top
of the head of our forwards and the lack of nous our forwards have regarding leading making space blocking etc seriously has doing my head in.

HTF is this still happening!!  8 years and still
no improvement at all. i watched this
part of the game very closely tonight andnim
notmkirdong lucky if we tries to spot up a target in F50 4-5 times the whole game. i mean how is this even possible at this standard. I watch local footy and that is much better organised going into the 50 then us.

So is it the players or coach thats responsible?

They went the bomb approach because the Swans had no talls down back...but the expectation was that Harry and Charlie might be able to get some through the big sticks and TDK might be able to make a few stick in his hands but alas no cigar on any of those expectations.

[spf]

Shambles. Utter shambles.

It’s not so much the losing that bothers me it how far off we STILL look from being a decent team - we seriously play like a bottom tier team. Game plan is under 11s standard and foot skills are just woeful.

I had so much belief at the start of this year really thought we would comfortably play finals and do some serious damage in there.
This club is a laughing stock and to be perfectly honest I don’t even know how to begin to fix it.
Sounds crazy but won’t be long before we say this rebuild is running out of time as it usually takes several years of making finals before you may snare one.

The fact this group hasn’t played one final is amazing for all the wrong reasons. And year 8 is going to be another one with us sitting in the bottom half of the ladder.

Do we face reality and do the Honorable thing by players like Patrick Cripps? Do we offer to help them get to a club that could potentially win a premiership and know that we are going to take several more years to even compete against the best teams? Is that just admitting defeat, or finally accepting reality?

Patrick Cripps may never play in a premiership at Carlton. At this rate, he may only get a small taste of finals before his career ends. What about Sam Docherty? Same boat?

[rocky]

Patrick Cripps may never play in a premiership at Carlton. At this rate, he may only get a small taste of finals before his career ends. What about Sam Docherty? Same boat?

Sam Docherty, what about Sam Walsh?? The way we're travelling I can't see him getting a taste either

[LoveNavy]

Reckon we have to do it different and stick with Voss and start looking at whats around him in terms of assistant coaches, footy managers and list managers. Hardwick had great support staff that helped save his job, they had Balme, got a decent recruiter in Hartley and had the right assistants, no more panic and sack the coach but Id be sacking some players at years end.

I'm in the same camp regards Vossy. I'd like to see him have some help with oppo analysis, ream selection, and gameday tactics.

I hadn't tipped us since WC, but really thought we'd strape in a win tonight. How wrong I was. There are no excuses that I can see.

Centre clearances, unacceptable goalkicking, and totally inadequate i50 pressure are not new problems. It's r11 and the fundamentals aren't being applied with the consistency AFL demands. Against a similarly placed team with an injury hit defence we kicked 6 goals!! That defies belief.

Worse still, but in keeping with inconsistency, for the 2nd week running we kicked 1 goal or less in a half of football. We've got 2 Coleman medallists ffs. Oh and how were the very gettable shots by H on one side and Owies on the other ootf ?

I wish I wasn't a passionate supporter because I think I'd have had a good laugh tonight. Strangely I don't think all is lost. The effort is there. The skills are deplorable atm, which negates connection. Both can improve with confidence.

Can't believe I'm saying this... My instinct is that we need to stick fat.

[LoveNavy]

Really is hard to believe that every individual at this once great club actually get paid for whatever it is they do. Players can't dispose of the ball to an AFL standard. "Coaches" cannot improve on the skills that said players are delivering. those same "coaches" can't formulate an effective game plan to suit the players. Administrators consistently fail on recruitment of players to fill deficiencies within our structure. They all just live inside the 4 walls with an oblivious attitude to those who are the heart and soul of a football club. The supporters. They get money to put us through this torture, year after year. Are they sadists or are we masochists or is it a combination of both? Anyway think I'll give this site a rest for a week as I'm rambling. I think I've lost my mind

I hear you. Lots of us in the same boat.
Take care. It's a tough gig being a Bluebagger.

[LoveNavy]

They went the bomb approach because the Swans had no talls down back...but the expectation was that Harry and Charlie might be able to get some through the big sticks and TDK might be able to make a few stick in his hands but alas no cigar on any of those expectations.

Expectations aren't the basis for a game plan. That's part of our problem IMO. We expect things to happen. While we watch it unfold, we get caught out, well watching. Instead of playing what's in front of us.

When expectations go belly up, we're too slow, physically and mentally, to stem the opposition's rebound. Or we fumble our way around until we eventually turn it over. That's what's so excruciating to watch. Second only, to a set shot at goal.

[Gointocarlton]

Really is hard to believe that every individual at this once great club actually get paid for whatever it is they do. Players can't dispose of the ball to an AFL standard. "Coaches" cannot improve on the skills that said players are delivering. those same "coaches" can't formulate an effective game plan to suit the players. Administrators consistently fail on recruitment of players to fill deficiencies within our structure. They all just live inside the 4 walls with an oblivious attitude to those who are the heart and soul of a football club. The supporters. They get money to put us through this torture, year after year. Are they sadists or are we masochists or is it a combination of both? Anyway think I'll give this site a rest for a week as I'm rambling. I think I've lost my mind

Chin up Rocko, its just a game mate. You haven't lost your mind, you articulated everything perfectly.
Over to you Carlton Football Club.

[Gointocarlton]

Looks like 3, 4 or 5 forced changes to injury, might be a good thing
Cripps -> Dow
Hollands -> Binns
Kennedy -> Dare I say it Fisher
Hewett ->  Forgarty
Newman -> Cincotta
Sounds like the only positive was a small step in the right direction for Weiters. Holding Franklin goal less at the SCG is not mean feat, well dont you man.
What to do about Harry? Needs to be dropped, just in horrible form, 0g 3b and one OOTF that I saw is completely unacceptable.