AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

[LP]

Perhaps also worth bearing in mind that Fagan has been lauding Dunkley's game as one for the ages. Not sure why he had to play his best ever game against us............

Not many times Dunkley would have been asked to tag, that might even be the first time he has done it!

[townsendcalling]

Walsh had a shocker with his disposal the other night.
It was 50%
He just didn't seem right.
Situations where he would normally get the ball away, he was caught.
Hopefully he just had a bad one.
But Walsh rarely has a bad one :-\

There is a difference between being match fit and on top of your game. Just because Walsh is 'match fit' (and should be playing) doesnt mean he is going to be at his dominant best immediately. He's had NO preseason and significant back surgery.

Last year he came back 'match fit' but took a number of weeks to hit 4th gear. I'm confident that 4th gear this year is not far away....but will it be too late, is the question.

[Lods]

There is a difference between being match fit and on top of your game. Just because Walsh is 'match fit' (and should be playing) doesnt mean he is going to be at his dominant best immediately. He's had NO preseason and significant back surgery.

Last year he came back 'match fit' but took a number of weeks to hit 4th gear. I'm confident that 4th gear this year is not far away....but will it be too late, is the question.

He just had a bad one...he got plenty of the ball he just used it poorly and wasn't able to release as well as he normally does and that probably says more about the Brisbane pressure than a lack of match fitness. They played him well.

[ElwoodBlues1]

And why was Young the one to make way?
It should have been Honey imo.

Young was terrible and refused to contest properly a couple of times....not easy subbing off your KP backman and leaving the team unbalanced but I understand the frustration of Voss and agree with what he did. When you have a 200cm/100kg player not contesting hard enough its not good enough, Barrassi would have done what he did to Phil Baker one day...

[LP]

Young was terrible and refused to contest properly a couple of times....not easy subbing off your KP backman and leaving the team unbalanced but I understand the frustration of Voss and agree with what he did.

I felt we needed more run and Young wasn't having any impact given the Lion's were scoring via the smalls.

But I agree, for all that looked positive from Young a few weeks back in some small ruck rotations, it seems to have dented his confidence around the ground, which now looks like another negative of only running one ruck.

But having said that, both Young and Weiters are struggling form wise, both have been seen punching the footy even when completely uncontested. I mean having nobody within 5m should be a 100% a mark for those lads, never the alternative!

[Gags1960]

John Nicholls Medal….

Have been dormant for a while guys but have emerged..haha!
Best players award should be lock down mid season award already…The Carlton Marketing Dept absolute all stars…They suck us in every year with the pumped up tripe…look what we are cooking…etc etc…….. 80/90k ? Yet why are half the Baggers walking out at 3/4 time… Because everyone is and had a gutful of this mediocity and false promises….go have a look at Blue Heaven…he’s out of words…thats good for him..hope u noticed Pres Sayers?

We picked a very poor coach sorry…he failed at Lions cos he played early 2000’s tough footy and a 3 peat and thought that was the std formula to win >>>his game mode is so
outdated its laughable…no change Charlie up the ground when his full back killed him?…swap him with Harry surely? Give him space and put Payne out of his short career comfort zone( by the way he was equal BOG keeping a bloke off 9 to 1……impressed! He can play)

Our friggin  smalls are soo insipid c/w…their 2.. Charlie and Bailey 7/8 between them v 2/3 from us…they can play(both AS smalls but our  running patterns are pathetic….sit under the talls and bring defenders in so Chaz and H have to take a mark in Bourke St Mall its so fucked like U/14 footy…Josh Honey really 5 touches…aaargh 1 shot and of course missed

Surely they have to stretch out both flanks..create scoring options and than hit the contest at pace for the ball drop form the 2 talls…101 footy….. its so frustrating

Sorry Jack…glad u got 100 games but times up… so slow and misses so many 1 grabbers and kicking skills really? 15 m the other night get real
How we going with Jack Martins 600k a year? He has the skill to be a third tall risk like the 5 v Richmond when he first played….sorry about the chasing…but he can hurt the oppo when switched on ….Owies can get 3/4…I dont rate the others…Motlop will grow into it… but is Hansen our fwd coach? Holly Fuck

a welcome back rant finished……

[Baggers]

Welcome back, Gags.

Liked Cerra's media contribution. Though concerned that he mentioned the players were, 'Mentally strong on...' Really? Perhaps it's a work in progress, to give the benefit of the doubt. Interesting that he said not making finals wouldn't be a failure... but remained a goal, like every other club! He can hold his head high for the season he's put together thus far, with he and Chugga (when he finally came on!!!) both strong in their roles.

Based on Young's form you'd hope tall Durds is available. As Ye Rat O' The River pointed out, be good to see Weiters released to half back rather than being anchored to the last line.

Glad the club is challenging Newey's suspension, just push and shove and how 'intentional' could be interpreted from what occurred is odd, to say the least. And how H ended up with a bloodied eye went completely without citing is also 'odd'... it was the very definition of reckless. MRO... crap shoot.

[Milhanna13]

I noticed right from the start of the game the Bears were out to hurt us. They were tackling with intent to hurt and when they won the free kick they certainly told us.
When teams do this physical stuff yeah we might do a bit of push and shove back but it creates perceived pressure and the players panic because they don't want to be tackled harshly and hurt.
We are a NICE team, we have no MONGREL, no one tackles to hurt someone.
You look back to when we were successful, we had all this, Whorethorn played unsocialable, Richmond were dirty.
I'm not saying we go out there and play with high elbows but play angry, play to win, no prisoners. I'm over this nice guy stuff.

Still can't work out the umpiring, they got so many HTB yet we got hardly any. Is it the way we tackle?
Why didn't Harry get a free kick for the whack he copped to the eye. 4 Umpires? WTF were they looking at?
Harry is always being held. Cripps is always being held at stoppages. I thought the 4 ump system was brought in to have extra eyes around contests not divide the ground up into qtrs instead of thirds With each ump sticking to his lane.

The Match committee should be sacked today! Not tomorrow! How many games do we lose and then mention the MC?
We are charlatans, but I thought we did very well last night with a half a playing list made up of VFL standard players.

Agree 100% on the comparisons to Hawks and Tigs - we dont have that ruthlessness

If I see Crippa being held before a stoppage (and then when there was a free pinged for it - it was to Neale!!) or Harry being shoved under the ball in a marking contest (the old Paul Roos trained "tunnel") - i'll scream. 

As for the the HTBs - i am sure that the majoirty of the time McCluggage and Dunkley were tackled, they did the old "pretend to punch the ball out" trick, except that it wasnt being held to them, and it was obvious they werent actually trying to get it out.  also saw a few drag the ball in during the tackle - but im not sure we got a HTB all night???

ah well, that was NOT the reason for the loss - but still sh!ts me!

a few have menitoned it on here - but the number of goals they got out the back, just walking into goal must be a real indicator of how poor our d50 structure was....

[Milhanna13]

Tonyo I think our dare and run was there, we just kept giving it to blokes in Brisbane jumpers. Even the commentators said it one point, I think it was a Weiters grubber kick to a running Doc maybe? The idea was there, the kick was poor which resulted in a slight fumble then Brisbane player pouncing to apply pressure and the TO and it went straight back for a goal. Thats demoralising. I just expect better from players of that that experience.

Confidence maybe??? 

[BluePhantom]

Confidence maybe???

We need a Brain / Attitude / Physc Coach!!!!!!!
You can doing anything, you just need to believe.