AFL Rd 8 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

[Thryleon]

And to those paying out on Carlton Respects, please don't. It's a worthwhile starting point for a serious issue, and had absolutely nothing to do with last night's performance. 

Not wanting to say anything about the cause but we have lost every single one of those respects games.

Not sure why, but maybe we are too respectful on game day.

Brisbane came out wanting to hurt us last night and they did.

[Thryleon]

How do they fix basic skill errors under pressure? Thats going to take years IMO. I'm not questioning our endeavour or effort, its poor kicking, handballs and decisions that cost us games.

Doing it for longer is the only way to fix it.

We've been in poor form all season.  That won't continue.  The wins have masked it.  I reckon no more than about 8 per game have held their heads up high.

[Gointocarlton]

Doing it for longer is the only way to fix it.

We've been in poor form all season.  That won't continue.  The wins have masked it.  I reckon no more than about 8 per game have held their heads up high.

Sorry mate I dont understand, what do we need to do for longer that will eradicate skill errors?

[PaulP]

Not wanting to say anything about the cause but we have lost every single one of those respects games.

Not sure why, but maybe we are too respectful on game day.

Brisbane came out wanting to hurt us last night and they did.

We lose games because we're not good enough to win. We've lost plenty of games that have nothing to with Carlton Respects.

[tonyo]

We are simply not consistently good enough.  Our forward movement is far too predictable and any side with a half-decent back six can make our scoring dry up (Saints and Lions have both done it easily).

Stats show we had more than our share of the ball, but the second and third quarters we showed no dare and run.  In fact, if Brisbane had kicked straight, we would have been 10 goals down at 3/4 time.

Very disappointing, and I feel this is a portent of yet another mid-table finish.

[Baggers]

one more question:
How can we be so poorly skilled under pressure that many of our 88,777 supporters at the game leave with 3 mins to go before 3/4 time?

Yep. I think that's a symptom of 'going to water when real heat is applied'... dramatic decline in execution/skills and decision making. For the folks at the game to see so many fundamental errors was incredibly disheartening -- glad I wasn't there -- and they let the players know.

Sometimes I wonder if our players live too much in a 'happy bubble' and become disconnected from a warrior attitude which is required when you go into battle. In the words of Jocko Willink... when under pressure focus on two things only, prioritize (quickly) then execute (well). Our execution under heat is ordinary at best, dreadful at worst... and by dreadful, I mean I ability to give the aggott back to the opposition.

[Gointocarlton]

Yep. I think that's a symptom of 'going to water when real heat is applied'... dramatic decline in execution/skills and decision making. For the folks at the game to see so many fundamental errors was incredibly disheartening -- glad I wasn't there -- and they let the players know.

Sometimes I wonder if our players live too much in a 'happy bubble' and become disconnected from a warrior attitude which is required when you go into battle. In the words of Jocko Willink... when under pressure focus on two things only, prioritize (quickly) then execute (well). Our execution under heat is ordinary at best, dreadful at worst... and by dreadful, I mean I ability to give the aggott back to the opposition.

Last night the mistakes from senior players were as bad and as disappointing as I have seen. Chains of errors is the only chain we can manage at the moment. I am under no illusion that Brisbane are a top side, but I just expect better execution than that from senior players (who are supposed to help groom the kids). If I had the time and the stomach for it, I would watch the game again and catalog the errors.

[Adelaideblue]

1. After sitting through the Adelaide Oval Crows debacle I mentioned the old football coaches cry "pick up your man!
When CFC kick out after point score, other teams man us up and put us straight under pressure.  We often allowed Brisbane to easily kick short to a player.  We did have the same number of players, didn't we? 

2. Witches hats when Brisbane had the ball and heading deep into their forward line. Yes our guys do the right and run down there, but then some (like Motlop) seem to be mesmerised, just stand there and don't man up.     

Plenty of effort at times , but not well directed.

AB

[pinot]

And to those paying out on Carlton Respects, please don't. It's a worthwhile starting point for a serious issue, and had absolutely nothing to do with last night's performance. 

Social issues has no place in sports imo. Defacing club colours is even worse. It's a worth while cause but there are other ways to promote the cause. Prefer if we had Charlie Blue eating raw meat. Facts on the ground is we don't win games with "respect" at the forefront of players minds and it has to be replaced by "ruthless" ASAP.

[BluePhantom]

I noticed right from the start of the game the Bears were out to hurt us. They were tackling with intent to hurt and when they won the free kick they certainly told us.
When teams do this physical stuff yeah we might do a bit of push and shove back but it creates perceived pressure and the players panic because they don't want to be tackled harshly and hurt.
We are a NICE team, we have no MONGREL, no one tackles to hurt someone.
You look back to when we were successful, we had all this, Whorethorn played unsocialable, Richmond were dirty.
I'm not saying we go out there and play with high elbows but play angry, play to win, no prisoners. I'm over this nice guy stuff.

Still can't work out the umpiring, they got so many HTB yet we got hardly any. Is it the way we tackle?
Why didn't Harry get a free kick for the whack he copped to the eye. 4 Umpires? WTF were they looking at?
Harry is always being held. Cripps is always being held at stoppages. I thought the 4 ump system was brought in to have extra eyes around contests not divide the ground up into qtrs instead of thirds With each ump sticking to his lane.

The Match committee should be sacked today! Not tomorrow! How many games do we lose and then mention the MC?
We are charlatans, but I thought we did very well last night with a half a playing list made up of VFL standard players.