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Agree with Prof on WCE and any concessions the AFL might be thinking of for them. They won a flag 5 years ago and continually backed an aging and injury prone list to keep them in contention. They gave up 3 first round picks to get Tim Kelly which, in hindsight, was a disaster. He's been a good player for them but that's a lot to give up. They re-signed both Natanui and McGovern last year to 2 year deals when neither of them can get out on the park regularly. They would also be in the top 4 or 5 highest players at WCE. Add to that Shuey and Yeo who are always injured. Hurn at nearly 35 years of age is still in their best 10 players.
They've brought this on themselves and because they're owned by the WAFC, they're not answerable to anyone. Nisbett is the CEO of West Coast and if I'm not mistaken, also sits on the board of the WAFC.
Simpson has been there 10 years now too.
We've been mired in the bottom half of the table for a decade or more....yes, some terrible drafting and recruiting....but you don't reward incompetence. They need to rebuild through the draft and free agency like everyone else. Their problem is that none of their best players now would really have any trade value....Shuey, Natanui, Hurn, McGovern, Yeo, Darling...they need to get young blokes in and let them develop over the next 3-4 years by when all of the above players will be well and truly finished.
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(05-01-2023, 12:44 AM)LP link Wrote:Is there really just one ideal sub, isn't that concept a bit formulaic, and also potentially exposes a team to opposition analysis / tactics?
For me, the Sub should be selected on a horses for courses basis, the "Ideal Sub" is really code for "Lazy MC"!
Wrong.
The ideal sub is Kouta. Can dominate any position on the ground if required.
Of course, he would always be best 22, but there you go.
I don't think there is a perfect sub, but there are certainly plenty of wrong subs imo.
Having a ruck as a sub is the worst thing you can do. You are better off paying 2 rucks than paying 1 and a sub.
Having a vanilla player like LOB who can't really influence a game is also a wrong choice.
If no injury concerns....use a mid and rotate who rests each week for the long season.
If a couple of people have injuries who are a bit iffy, have someone who can cover them.
Personally I like the Jack of all trades option and/or someone who can make an impact with minimal time. 2 examples
Kemp - can play tall or small or on a wing in a pinch
Martin - could kick 3 goals in 5 minutes ago based off half chances.
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(05-01-2023, 01:24 PM)kruddler date Wrote:Wrong.
The ideal sub is Kouta. Can dominate any position on the ground if required. Technically, that would be the ideal waste!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"
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(05-01-2023, 01:24 PM)kruddler date Wrote:Personally I like the Jack of all trades option and/or someone who can make an impact with minimal time. 2 examples
Kemp - can play tall or small or on a wing in a pinch
Martin - could kick 3 goals in 5 minutes ago based off half chances. Not much interested in kids like Kemp rotting on the bench as Sub, they are either out there learning and earning in the AFL, or in the VFL learning, bench warming gets them nowhere!
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No big deal typical Carlton,let’s see how we go next 3 weeks .
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When did Martin last kick three in a game...?
No free rides for this bloke- play well in the twos before getting in the 23.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
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(05-02-2023, 09:53 AM)Professer E link Wrote:When did Martin last kick three in a game...?
No free rides for this bloke- play well in the twos before getting in the 23.
3 games ago (that he played) - R22 vs Melbourne.
He actually kicked 3 goals in a row from the 3rd quarter into the 4th. We only kicked one more goal for the match after that.
He has talent, he performs in bursts. He is pure sub material.
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Sounds like a case of waiting for Godot
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
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(05-02-2023, 11:14 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Sounds like a case of waiting for Godot
Take every player on our list.
Go through their last 3 games.
How many have kicked 3 goals in one of them?
Charlie, SOJ and Jack Martin - not even Harry (4 games back)
He kicked 4 on debut for us and blew the game apart against the Tigers. He's kicked 3 goals on another occassion for us as well.
Over his 136 game career. He has kicked 3 (or more) goals on 13 occassions.
Thats 3 or more goals every 10 games on average.....basically as a midfielder.
How many others can say the same?
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In terms of reliability - Martin is an overpaid list clogger.
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