AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

[Gointocarlton]

It was poor all over the ground. Our poor efficiency has been masked by the 20 metre backward kicks.

Have a look on the AFL app at the possession heat map and that sums up the day.

Agree re poor all over the ground, but some of the kicks into the forward line was embarrassing. As I said, I couldnt watch much after the start of the 3rd.

[Lods]

You mean like a Jack Martin lol.

Like a Jack Martin... except he plays games and performs consistently throughout.

[Baggers]

Just watched the 2nd half again. Yep, sucker for punishment!

Although it is somewhat feint praise, the endeavour was there... efficiency and proper passing by foot, was not. As others have noted, we tend to kick it on the head of our team mates and don't often enough kick it to their run and space - the backline does, but delivery to forwards needs much work. Some of the passes to JSOS & Charlie were just horrible.

We can forget JSOS and Fisher getting dropped, but LOB, Honey and small Durds need Magoo time. Honey was awful.

Cincotta was one of our better defenders, with good work by hand and foot but let himself down by being run-down... team mates not telling him he was hot? Young & Weiters are down on form. Gov was okay/good. Really missed the composure and smarts of Doc/Saady. Newman tried to be too cute by foot too often.

I think Fog would be an upgrade on small Durds at present. And Carroll an upgrade on Honey. LOB probably survives as the sub for another week.

Boyd and Cottrell should be available in the next few weeks.

If you get a chance check out the hold on JSOS at about the 1-2 minute mark of the 3rd... right in front of the umpire, JSOS jumper was being held - plainly. Though I guess that's counter-balanced by a few gifts we received in the first half.

I'm not as pessimistic as some. Yes, we've been average to below average most of the season thus far. The only way is up, and our first half against the Aints was really good and better conversion would have made all the difference... but there too often seems to be an 'if only.'

If we bring the first half intensity of the Aints game for the entire game, along with better conversion, we'll account for the Weagles quite comfortably.

[cookie2]

I watched the Geelong game and we could do well to study how they were feeding the ball into F50. Some of it was real precision stuff and I really noticed this especially from Dangerfield and Meiers.

[RiverRat]

We are fit, we just dont go hard enough at the critical times and have too many players looking for the cheap easy kick.

Too many one-way players who either don't or can't apply pressure on opponents going the other way

[RiverRat]

There's no doubt we need other routes to goal. That needs to be built on a robust system. I recall a game in 22 where our wingers kicked 5 goals.

Play LOB in the 22 or the VFL - he is not useful as a sub

[shawny]

I watched the Geelong game and we could do well to study how they were feeding the ball into F50. Some of it was real precision stuff and I really noticed this from Dangerfield and Meiers.

Cookie the difference is they have good ball users that are skilled enough to do it under pressure. Our guys have a crack but we cant consistently hit targets by foot when there is any sort of heat on.  We do it at training or during junk time but when the heat is on we are hit and miss which results in a fast turn over and opposition teams prey on it.

We have decent ball movers in defence (when plowman is out) but as it moves through the middle we lack finishers. This is why the loss of Doc and Saad is massive to forward connection.  And when 2 out of your 3 key targets are Jack and Harry even when we get it in they are hit and miss at best.  Geelong have finishers as forwards Cameron Hawkins Rohan etc are all very reliable shots and they make the most of their chances.

We are miles off that level.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Like a Jack Martin... except he plays games and performs consistently throughout.

If Martin could be what Shai Bolton is half the time we would be premiers...

[RiverRat]

Our defenders weren't that bad, except that we got hurt playing Kennedy in defence. He isn't a defender, not matter what else he might be.  Kennedy provides depth in the midfield and an option in attack, I agree that he is not a defender.

Our disposal into the forward line was appalling. The number of times we kicked directly to St. Kilda defenders ... I lost track of how many times it happened. The worst ones were when the kicks went to multiple Saints with no Blues in the vicinity.

Honey has to be dropped. I think he will be gone at the end of the season: he hasn't made any significant progress at all.  Fair comment.

O'Brien has to go back: he hasn't offered much as sub. He plays wing or he plays VFL, my preferred option.  Fully agree.

Pittonet was excellent today: he beat a guy that some people are claiming to be All-Australian. He gave our mids first use for the 1st half and then held his own thereafter. He was a big winner on the day. Also, Young was much more useful than Silvagni as a back-up – one of the few (if not the only) MC successes for the day.

[RiverRat]

We have an unbalanced list with too many players lacking the disposal skills necessary to be a serious contender for the flag.

AND too many often-injured list cloggers reducing our ability to recruit alternatives.