AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

[kruddler]

Thought his skills were ok, he kicks both feet unlike the rest of the team and for the most part was composed.
He wont get a tougher test than the Saints playing the old Freo footy and his more experienced teammates making dumb decisions because they cant move the ball forward. playing on some of the best small forwards in the game would have bene a real step up in class and a new experience for him and I thought he went ok and deserves a game vs West Coast who dont have that same quality personnel.

Skills are ok, but we knew that. No good having good skills under no pressure though. You need them in the heat of the battle....and he is not there yet.

As i said, i'd pick him next week, against the Eagles is perfect. He is struggles with the pressure there, send him back to the 2's to remind him of how good he can be once he gets the tempo. Don't burn him out too soon.

[crashlander]

Toss says once Steele got the better of Crippa, and they spread, the rest followed.
Don't like the guy, but I can't argue with that. Smart coaching, and he's achieving it with blokes he's known for 5 minutes ?

I don't think Steele ever got the better of Cripps, but he did negate some of his influence after half time. If Cripps could kick a goal, he'd have been BOG. But the 'Aints did manage to disrupt our midfield, and that hurt us badly.

[crashlander]

Thought Cerra was our best today.

Cerra was good, and his disposal was better than most.
Yes, we need a Rachele, but I'm not disappointed with Cerra.
At the moment Kennedy and Fisher are down, Fisher was great early, but disappeared from the game like he was shot.
Hewett got more of it this week, but he isn't back to his best.

[crashlander]

Firstly, I gave up watching after SOS's horrid miss, couldn't watch anymore and dont think I can be able watch for a while, I'm broken.
I have come to the realisation we haven't improved enough to make the 8 let alone be a contender, how can we have possibly improved when we still play guys don't have the basic Skills. Not naming names, you all know who they are.
Too much left to too few, too many passengers week in week out.
I thought we were meant to have dodged a bullet with Ross Lyon?
Nighty night.

Not sure Ross is a long term option for anywhere. But he always makes a big start.
Interesting to see how he goes in 2 years.

As for us, we were new and interesting last year. This year we're not as good with what is supposed to be our strength, while we haven't found any new strengths. That does not bode well. Voss at Brisbane? I hope not. But we need to make some changes, on the field and how we play.

[crashlander]

Yep been saying it for years. We have the dumbest collection of footballers in the game.

It would be difficult to argue against that. We make so many poor decisions and don't seem to learn from the ones we make.

[Lods]

Saints are well coached. We knew that.

You need to move the ball fast, long and accurate to beat them. We didn't have Docherty and Saad today who are our best at that by a country mile. I'd like to come up against the saints later in the year with those 2 playing and see the difference. They were able to flood back chop off the space and force us to play the possession game. As soon as we stuffed one up, they swooped and scored.

That was the difference.

We had a shocker in front of goal. Easily 5 shots missed we'd kick most weeks. I think it was acres who chose not to toe poke one through from the goal square, instead letting it dribble past him....and the goals...in for a point.

But, its not all doom and gloom. We played poor, against the top side, and absolutely dominated them in the first half in every area except the scoreboard. Gives us something to work from, and we'll get better as a result.
I'd rather find out this now, than come finals time.

I'm going to agree with Kruddler.
It's early days but our seasons probably at a bit of a fork in the road.
How we handle the weeks leading up to the bye rounds will tell a bit of a tale about our coaches and their ability to rectify the issues holding us back at the moment.

We've come up against the form team of the competition after 6 rounds.
We've been all over them in a lot of the general play in the first half of the game.

Individuals are showing some good signs,
Some of the newer players on the list are especially promising and look to be set for long careers.
We go off a bit about McKay and his costly brain fades but he's been strong in the air and presenting well up around the wing area as well as in the forward half.
The midfield is getting a lot of the ball.
Walsh has had his two weeks 'easing'   into the season and is now back to normal

But there is still lots of room for improvement.
There is a group on the fringe who are probably looking at their last season as Carlton players.
We are falling down in both execution and decision making.
You would expect those things to improve as the season progresses, and if we have a bit of fortune with injuries we may do a reverse 2022 and come home much stronger in the second half of the year.

I was much happier with the effort this week than I was with the effort last week.
A word of caution though.
Outclassed and outscored, West Coast came with a pretty good effort against Port.
They had one bad quarter where things fell to pieces but it was fairly even apart from that.
Next week back at home for them will be a challenge for us.
It may actually be an opportunity to get a bit of confidence and system back, but take if for granted and it could also have the opposite effect.

[tonyo]

We have to accept that unless we change some of the things we are doing, we are probably 6-7th at best, and certainly not ready for the really pointy end of the season.

Here's a few leftish-field ideas to try and get our side on an upward trajectory.  

(1) For a side that boasts the last two Coleman medallists, our scoring this year has been abysmal.  Put Kemp as a mobile marking option in the F50 - they tried it for a while a couple of years back, and he did not look out of place.  Alterrnatively, play Cripps more in F50 as that mobile target.

(2) Given # 1, play Harry as a true centre half forward, getting marks on the wing etc.   That is where he has looked the most effective this year.

(3) Binns in.  Maybe even give Dow a go.  We are so slow, I would give anyone with leg speed a crack.

(4) Give Cincotta, Saad and McGovern (perhaps even Boyd) absolute license to run off half-back, with defense as a secondary consideration (especially when Doc is back).

(5) Get TDK and Mirkov in tandem off the bench.  Pittonet is just too slow.

There's a start.   

 

 

[Gointocarlton]

We have to accept that unless we change some of the things we are doing, we are probably 6-7th at best, and certainly not ready for the really pointy end of the season.

Here's a few leftish-field ideas to try and get our side on an upward trajectory. 

(1) For a side that boasts the last two Coleman medallists, our scoring this year has been abysmal.  Put Kemp as a mobile marking option in the F50 - they tried it for a while a couple of years back, and he did not look out of place.  Alterrnatively, play Cripps more in F50 as that mobile target.

(2) Given # 1, play Harry as a true centre half forward, getting marks on the wing etc.  That is where he has looked the most effective this year.

(3) Binns in.  Maybe even give Dow a go.  We are so slow, I would give anyone with leg speed a crack.

(4) Give Cincotta, Saad and McGovern (perhaps even Boyd) absolute license to run off half-back, with defense as a secondary consideration (especially when Doc is back).

(5) Get TDK and Mirkov in tandem off the bench.  Pittonet is just too slow.

There's a start. 

agree with what you have written except H at CHF, he isnt footy smart enough to play the CHF role. He can get up the ground and clunk a mark, thats when the trouble begins.

[Macca37]

So here we are into what, our eighth year of a rebuild?

We all knew from being flogged by teams such as Hawthorn, year after year - but evidently not our  recruiting team - that we needed to recruit players with excellent disposal skills, especially by foot.

What did we get? Maybe we can excuse our recruiting team to a certain extent because nobody wanted to come to Carlton, but they were quite happy to take on Williams with a known Achilles problem.  Then we have Kemp, and we were told that it would be worth the wait of a year for him to recover from knee surgery because he would be our version of Darling of West Coast - and we are still awaiting for his arrival.

Then we have Dow. It was known that he had poor disposal foot skills prior to the draft but we gave up a first pick for him. And what did the recruiters see in Honey that made him worthy of recruiting?

We have an unbalanced list with too many players lacking the disposal skills necessary to be a serious contender for the flag.

It's the same old same old.  We get possession of the ball but keep turning it over because of poor disposal skills. 

We keep playing Harry in the forward line.  Why?  He showed today that he is worthy of the title of Harry the Heartbreaker.  He simply cannot be relied upon to kick goals.

It seems we have also got the problem of players with dumb disposal syndrome anytime pressure is applied in the game.

Realistically, I don't  think I will see another Carlton premiership in my lifetime.

[Lods]

Small forwards aren't giving us enough...but I reckon we could also do with a Brad Pearce type fast leading medium sized forward to act as a foil to the Curnow/ McKay combination.

(One that isn't always injured. )