AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

[Mav]

The club has announced that Cincotta will debut: https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/131212...-on-sunday.

[WASurfer]

Mav...Cincotta presumably a direct replacement in the 22 for Saad? If we believe the club and McGovern is also right, who comes out for him?

I'm staggered if Honey and LOB are both in the 22.

IMO I'd have Honey, O'Brien out, along with Saad, and have McGovern, Kemp and Cincotta in....maybe Plowman as emergency. Is TDK named in the 22....maybe we do change it up and play one ruckman?

[Mav]

Could those with Italian backgrounds explain why Cincotta is pronounced Sin-COT-ta rather than Chin-COT-ta?

Of course, families are entitled to pronounce their surnames as they wish and those wishes should be respected. Oddly enough, Scott Camporeale seemed surprised to discover that in Italy his surname would be pronounced Cam-po-ree-ARL-ee. And of course some pronunciations are driven by the need to separate the name from English words, such as the surname Koch (pronounced David Cosh or the Coke brothers in the US). And then we have the 2 different ways of saying Fogarty.

[PaulP]

Could those with Italian backgrounds explain why Cincotta is pronounced Sin-COT-ta rather than Chin-COT-ta? .......................................

The rules dictate that a C followed by an E or I is pronounced as you suggest. Not sure why it's supposedly "Sincotta".

https://dailyitalianwords.com/italian-pr...e-c-ch-cc/

[PaulP]

Mav, if you're referring to the highlights package on the CFC website, I'd say those commentators simply don't know they're mispronouncing it. Hopefully "Chincotta" himself knows the right way.

[Mav]

It’s hard to imagine that someone from Carlton wouldn’t have corrected the commentators at some point if they had it wrong. Zac Williams was a guest commentator in the 1st quarter of the Carlton v Richmond VFL game but didn’t do so.

[Gointocarlton]

Could those with Italian backgrounds explain why Cincotta is pronounced Sin-COT-ta rather than Chin-COT-ta?

Of course, families are entitled to pronounce their surnames as they wish and those wishes should be respected. Oddly enough, Scott Camporeale seemed surprised to discover that in Italy his surname would be pronounced Cam-po-ree-ARL-ee. And of course some pronunciations are driven by the need to separate the name from English words, such as the surname Koch (pronounced David Cosh or the Coke brothers in the US). And then we have the 2 different ways of saying Fogarty.

Chin-COT-ta

[Gointocarlton]

Mav, if you're referring to the highlights package on the CFC website, I'd say those commentators simply don't know they're mispronouncing it. Hopefully "Chincotta" himself knows the right way.

Not always Pauly. Some Italians seem to be ashamed of their heritage and/or just dont give a crap about proper  pronunciation. Perfect example is Leigh Mon-tag-na  who went to great lengths to butcher it on purpose. Recently Josh Ro-shell-i's dad explained that the proper way is Ra-keh-leh but everyone uses Ro-shell-i. Only recent one who bothers to correct everyone is Chris Pet-truck-a. Even our former Formula 1 ace Danny Rick-ardo doesnt pronounce his name properly. As you will know, proper pronunciation is Rich-arrdo with an accent or role on the rr. I have been in Italy watching Italian F1 telecasts and they pronounce it properly thank god.

[Mav]

WASurfer, I agree Cincotta is a like-for-like replacement for Saad (or at least as close as we could find outside last week’s team), but that doesn’t mean he will inherit Saad’s role. I think the “next man up” philosophy has its limits and until Cincotta can prove himself in the seniors he won’t be treated as Saad Mk 2. Newman would now be the leader of the small/midsized defenders.

That leaves us with 2 tall defenders in Weets and Young, tallish defenders in Gov & Plowman/Kemp (or maybe even JSOS), Newman and Cowan. Cincotta may be the 7th defender. Much depends on what we do with Young and Weets. Having some height isn’t a bad thing as the Saints might throw Marshall forward and he’s not a bad forward. But if Membrey and Owen are their talls, what do we do with Weets and Young? Weets did say he’ll likely be on Membrey at some stage but he also said he prefers to play deeper and Membrey prefers to play as a link man and that’s not an ideal match up for him. He also noted Membrey has a good vertical jump and that seemed to concern him. Can Young play smaller on mobile forwards like Owen or does he need to play on a tall marking forward? In a recent game, Young had the fastest sprint for our boys: 33.7 km/h. Remember that Dustin Fletcher was very tall (198 cm) but he regularly played on small forwards such as Phil Matera and we all still have nightmares over the rundown tackle of Jeff Garlett to force a draw. Maybe he can do the same sort of job for us on a small who marks well above his head. The concern is whether he has the necessary agility.

[Gointocarlton]

If Gov is fit to go, it seems the only changes will be:
In Gov Cinque Lire
Out Saad Plow
The rest of the poor performer from last week will likely survive.