VFL 2023 Rd 4 Carlton vs Richmond at Carlton

[Gointocarlton]

agree to disagree DJC.

Fogarty is a player i think won't get very far and who's best just simply isn't good enough.

I'd you want a body that can go forward and plays committed footy, Carroll has him covered and he needs to do more.

Everyone talks up Carroll, I have seen nothing from him that suggests he is AFL std.

[Macca37]

Also can't kick it very far either.  He's an honest trier who can't do much.  It's like owies with less tricks.

I remember commenting several years ago about Fogarty's inability to kick further than 35 to 40 metres at best and how that meant he had to bomb the ball on to the heads of our forwards.

Has his distance kicking improved since then?

[DJC]

Thing about comments like this though, is its based off when Fisher has the ball, or his direct opponent does.

What about the other 95% of the time?
What about when he is running to fill some space?
What about when he is running to man up a loose player?
What about when he is running after his opponent making a lead?

Speed is used all throughout the game, most of the time when you DON'T have the ball.

That’s true, but you have to be effective.  Fish was very effective against North and got plenty of the ball to go with his defensive efforts.  Against Adelaide, Fish was ineffective; he didn’t pressure the ball carrier, he didn’t get in positions to intercept or block leads, he didn’t pick up loose players, he didn’t make up enough ground to cover for teammates who were out of position, but he did spend a lot of time running behind opposition ball carriers.

Not that he was Robinson Crusoe …

[DJC]

agree to disagree DJC.

Fogarty is a player i think won't get very far and who's best just simply isn't good enough.

I'd you want a body that can go forward and plays committed footy, Carroll has him covered and he needs to do more.

We’ll have to disagree about Carroll too; he should have a bright future but he was barely sighted against Richmond. 

Carroll has a long way to go to get close to the footy Fogarty produced on Friday.  He really should be demanding a spot in the 22 by dominating in the magoos.

[Baggers]

We can't make the side any slower if we want to challenge.

If we think quick and act quickly and decisively... we'll look quick.

[kruddler]

If we think quick and act quickly and decisively... we'll look quick.

You guys overestimate fogarties abilities.

[Baggers]

You guys overestimate fogarties abilities.

I have absolutely no illusions about Fogs limited abilities. I think the argument here is that he is in very good form and at his best, limits and all. Whereas we've got more talented blokes playing in the seniors who are, however, in poor form and not deserving of a senior gig. We've (CFC) often said that we will reward good form in the Magoos and blokes in the seniors will have to earn their place. This does not appear to be happening.

[ElwoodBlues1]

You guys overestimate fogarties abilities.

An Alfa Romeo he isn't but sometimes an old HiAce van is what you need to do the job ..

[LP]

From what I've seen in VFL this season Fogarty is consistently giving us more of what we need than Cunningham, but if he can get back to his best Cunningham has a whole other gear, but it doesn't show at the moment.

On form we perhaps made a mistake playing Honey ahead of Fogarty, but I can understand because of Honey's potential upside. Fogarty was probably a better choice of replacement for Owies, but I don't think Fogarty will ever be as physical as Owies. How can the coaches put together a similar cake with different ingredients?

At the moment we lack good form, we have been scraping through against teams that are good but also not in good form, it showed Thursday night.

[Gointocarlton]

An Alfa Romeo he isn't but sometimes an old HiAce van is what you need to do the job ..

And sometimes, any farken car that doesn't break down will do.