AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

[DJC]

Coniglio wasn't being abusive, he asked a question. He used his hands, so what?
Are they to treat the umpires like magistrates?

Coniglio gesticulated and shouted "How is that not a free kick?"  That might be a question grammatically, but in the context and manner in which it was made, it was dissent.

It was interesting to hear umpires calling in to the ABC and applauding the decision.  They all mentioned how difficult it is to attract and retain umpires in local and junior competitions because of the dissent and abuse.  My son-in-law was umpiring his son's under 9 team and had to send a player off for dissent.  Coniglio's behaviour was basically the same as the under 9 kid.

[Lods]

I suspect this thread would look a lot different if that free and then the result went the other way.

Yep
Because then some of us would be making emotive responses based on losing the game, but even then I'd bet there would be a few critical of the player.

[Thryleon]

I suspect this thread would look a lot different if that free and then the result went the other way.

I generally agree.

Thing we don't know is whether or not there was any additional mouthing off and disrespect shown towards the umpires during the match.

Realistically had we lost, we would all be looking at the 20 odd behinds and going kick straighter and we win easily even if there was a line ball decision at the end of the game.

[madbluboy]

Yep
Because then some of us would be making emotive responses based on losing the game, but even then I'd bet there would be a few critical of the player.

The only people defending the decision are the AFL and Carlton supporters.
Even a lot of usually pro umpire commentators like Dunstall don't understand why that one got picked out.

[Lods]

The only people defending the decision are the AFL and Carlton supporters.

So basically the AFL and the most intelligent supporters

(I thought Dunstall was OK with the decision...he might be wondering why it was that particular one that got picked out)

[madbluboy]

Coniglio gesticulated and shouted "How is that not a free kick?"  That might be a question grammatically, but in the context and manner in which it was made, it was dissent.

It was interesting to hear umpires calling in to the ABC and applauding the decision.  They all mentioned how difficult it is to attract and retain umpires in local and junior competitions because of the dissent and abuse.  My son-in-law was umpiring his son's under 9 team and had to send a player off for dissent.  Coniglio's behaviour was basically the same as the under 9 kid.

My son who has adhd got sent off in an auskick game last year because he complained about being tackled which isn't allowed. He was upset and ran out of the whole reserve, guess who had to chase him lol? Thanks umpire.

This year he's playing basketball, loves it. Football sux which is a shame as he is good.

[PaulP]

No way what Coniglio did was dissent.

If we're looking for reasons why umpire numbers and retention is down, I'd say look at parents, kids coaches, their peers, the media and fans before you look at players. Out of those groups I just mentioned, players are the least abusive / dissenting / critical  by far. You could fill a book copying and pasting negative comments on here about umps. Go to any football game (kids, AFL, VFL you name it), and listen to the crowds giving the umpires a few gentle words of encouragement. Listen to adults at a family function discussing among themselves what No 22 did., within earshot of kids.  Kids learn from a young age that umpires are fair game, and only a small amount of what is learnt comes from the Cogs' of this world.

[DJC]

The only people defending the decision are the AFL and Carlton supporters.
Even a lot of usually pro umpire commentators like Dunstall don't understand why that one got picked out.

Not really.  As I mentioned previously, Hudson virtually predicted it in the first quarter and many umpires called the ABC to express their support for the decision. 

I think that what has got some commentators confused is that it was a free kick and not a 50 metre penalty.  50 metre penalties for dissent rarely raise an eyebrow.

[madbluboy]

They're confused all of the other complaining incidents were not paid. Numerous other incidents were highlighted.

[DJC]

My son who has adhd got sent off in an auskick game last year because he complained about being tackled which isn't allowed. He was upset and ran out of the whole reserve, guess who had to chase him lol? Thanks umpire.

This year he's playing basketball, loves it. Football sux which is a shame as he is good.

That's not good.

I'm glad that he likes basketball but it would be nice if he could get back into footy.

The kid my son-in-law sent off was generally quite pleasant and engaged in polite conversations with the umpires.  However, he punched another kid after a good tackle and repeatedly questioned umpires' decisions that went against him.  When he came back onto the ground, he accused a goal umpire of cheating for correctly paying a goal.  His coach thanked my son-in-law for sending him off and wished more umpires would do the same.  Of course, the umpires are just parents with no formal training or umpiring expertise.