AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

[kruddler]

He's not an extra midfielder

Cmon mate, follow along.

2 rucks + Jack + 21 others
1 ruck + jack + extra midfielder + 21 others.

Using Jack as the second ruckman allows us to play an extra midfielder.

Look at the ins/outs from last game

As far as team balance went it was....
Durdin in for Martin
Pittonet in for Hewitt.

The second ruck took the spot of the extra midfielder.
We tired in the last quarter because we lost that extra midfielder.
We almost lost the game because we didn't have that extra midfielder.

[Lods]

We tired in the last quarter because we lost that extra midfielder.
We almost lost the game because we didn't have that extra midfielder.

We lost Jack, a forward, who had little impact at three quarter time and gained O'Brien with a bit of run (but still not a great impact).
An extra midfielder may have been handy (who!!), but there were probably a few factors in the Geelong surge, some mental (I expected them to come at us, and the players probably had a few doubts when it got close.)
Anyway in the end we won, so it worked OK.

[kruddler]

Yep, but all have different roles and responsibilities.
So the stats are just a part of the story.
It will be interesting to see who, if any, does go out.
If Hewett doesn't come up, it may be no change.

Also, it should be noted that Jack only had 5 possessions in week 1 as 2nd ruck.
His 13 disposals this week was =most from that group....yet people are criticising his output.
If his 2 behinds ended up being 2 goals, he'd get in the votes!

Stats are part of it.
Other part is peoples perception.....thats what i'm questioning....their perception.

In terms of output....it was comparable to the other 2 rucks (obviously hitouts/clearances aside).
In terms of output....it was comparable to 3 other forwards.

I'm not saying he has been in great form. I'm not saying he is above scrutiny. I'm not saying that its impossible for him to be dropped.
I just think the criticism towards him seems a little bit over the top.

He would probably be one of the front runners to be dropped this week.....and i think it'll be a mistake if he does....but it shouldn't matter against GWS (i hope)

Last time we dropped Jack, we got thumped, we lacked heart and everyone said it was a mistake and he should never be dropped again. Maybe i'm the only one that remembers that.

[kruddler]

We lost Jack, a forward, who had little impact at three quarter time and gained O'Brien with a bit of run (but still not a great impact).
An extra midfielder may have been handy (who!!), but there were probably a few factors in the Geelong surge, some mental (I expected them to come at us, and the players probably had a few doubts when it got close.)
Anyway in the end we won, so it worked OK.

Maybe we should've played Dow?
Maybe we should've played a back and let Docherty play midfield?

Little impact? Possibly, but same impact as a few others who played the whole game. As i said, if his 2 behinds were 2 goals, he'd be a hero.

Obrien could've had the same impact (albeit not much) when we swapped out some other alternative.
BUT....the rest of our midfielders would've been fresher as the load would've been spread across another body prior to all of that.

So because we won, we don't need to review what went right and what went wrong?

[Lods]

Stats are part of it.
Other part is peoples perception.....thats what i'm questioning....their perception.

That's probably the heart of the disagreement
You're questioning the perception.
Others are questioning the importance you're assigning to the stats.
Both are part of the story.
How we see the game is often different to the statistical output and equally as valid (running to position, manning up, contesting, missing marks they'd normally take, applying pressure).

The reality is Jack's probably in the frame to be missing if we have another option.

[madbluboy]

For the record Kruddler I am not suggesting dropping Jack. He is my first picked HFF.

I value him as much as anyone here except you as I think he $ucks as a ruckman.

[DJC]

Cmon mate, follow along.

2 rucks + Jack + 21 others
1 ruck + jack + extra midfielder + 21 others.

Using Jack as the second ruckman allows us to play an extra midfielder.

Look at the ins/outs from last game

As far as team balance went it was....
Durdin in for Martin
Pittonet in for Hewitt.

The second ruck took the spot of the extra midfielder.
We tired in the last quarter because we lost that extra midfielder.
We almost lost the game because we didn't have that extra midfielder.

As I understand it now, your argument is that having Pittonet, De Koning  and Silvagni in the 22 means that we have one less midfielder.  In fact, our midfield rotations were reduced by Corey Durdin replacing Hewett.  Pittonet replaced Martin who rarely goes into the midfield.  Ed Curnow spent part of the Richmond game as a midfielder and most of the Geelong game in that role (with Durdin filling the vacant half forward spot).  In effect, we were around 0.5 of a midfielder down for the Geelong game but Docherty probably covered that.  Bringing O'Brien on actually meant that we had an extra midfielder in the last quarter for both games.

I couldn't see any evidence that we tired in the last quarter.  If anything, our energy levels across the board were superior to Geelong's in the last quarter.

[madbluboy]

Chris Scott not happy with TDK's knee in the ruck.

[DJC]

Chris Scott not happy with TDK's knee in the ruck.

Is Chris Scott ever happy with anything that doesn’t give his team an advantage?

I’ve watched it several times and it was clumsy at best on Tom’s part.  If Tom had leapt for the ball, Stanley would have taken his legs out and possibly caused serious injury.  Matty K must be teaching his charges how to look after themselves.

[LP]

Chris Scott not happy with TDK's knee in the ruck.

Coming from one of the tunnel twins we should be offended.

It's just a comment to gain advantage next time.