AFL Rd 2 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

[LP]

I actually thought we looked better Thursday with two rucks - one tall rucking forward taking arguable tallest player and one ruck behind the ball covering the exit kick. Not to mention we did better a lot better around the clearances.

I feel it was painfully obvious, TDK and Pitto have very different strengths and weaknesses, they seem to be able to combined well without getting in each others way!

I thought Pitto floating into D50 allowed Young, Gov and Weiters some freedom, the structure looked better.

TDK floating into F50 helped us become less predictable, it is a situation that will only get better if the three talls can work together.

When we have TDK and Pitto rotating in the ruck, the opposition don't seem to gain as much momentum, and / or we actually seem capable to flipping the momentum. Life was much harder for the opposition, people fans/media credited Cripps in the 3rd Qtr, but wasn't there also a component of TDK and Pitto, would Cripps have had that impact if our 1st ruck was rested by SoJ?

I think part of this is playing fit players, I would never take a unfit Pitto or TDK ahead of a fit SoJ, we have seen in the past the folly of taking questionably fit players into games.

I've thought in the past SoJ had the most impact being the marking option on the wing, but I can't say he's offered anything better than Acres did Thursday night. Acres needs to string a few games together, but I have to presume if that's his level he's a lock for that role.

[LP]

PS: We are having this debate on the evening after the demise of Gawn as a component of the Dees ruck duo, something that brought them undone, well worth consideration!

A week ago the Dees ruck duo had teams panicking!

[bricky]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/how-...5cv5d.html

[madbluboy]

Rd 23 last year we lost to the Pies by a point.

Pittonet:  60 ruck contests for 17 hit outs
Silvagni: 33 ruck contests for 5 hit outs

Cameron: 48 ruck contests for 19 hit outs
M. Cox:  53 ruck contests for 24 hit outs

Pittonet can't do it on his own and that was taking 60% of the contests. 80% is not realistic or sustainable.

[laj]

One thing with Pittonet, qhe  he plays, his hit outs to advantage faf out weigh any other players. Think he has been at 41% the last couple of years. Pretty high.

[kruddler]

Playing Jack as a ruckman isn’t going to get us to play finals.

It got us 1 point away from playing them last year.

[kruddler]

Rd 23 last year we lost to the Pies by a point.

Pittonet:  60 ruck contests for 17 hit outs
Silvagni: 33 ruck contests for 5 hit outs

Cameron: 48 ruck contests for 19 hit outs
M. Cox:  53 ruck contests for 24 hit outs

Pittonet can't do it on his own and that was taking 60% of the contests. 80% is not realistic or sustainable.

Should have clarified better, 80%-90% of centre bounces.

Ruck contests deep forward will always be Jack (or Harry) and it skews the numbers a bit.

Pitto takes middle and back
Jack takes forward.
Essentially 2/3's - 1/3...which is exactly what your numbers show.

[LP]

Pitto has problems exposed to all, TDK in tandem is the cure.

[LP]

It got us 1 point away from playing them last year.

or it made us fall 1pt short

[LP]

One thing with Pittonet, qhe  he plays, his hit outs to advantage faf out weigh any other players. Think he has been at 41% the last couple of years. Pretty high.

If he has to ruck solo it'll be 41% of an ever dwindling number, against the Pies it was 6 out of 70 , it's a fools errand.

How many of the taps opponents win against SoJ are to advantage, do we want to know, not the percentage but the count?