Harry and Megan

[Gointocarlton]

One of his complaints was security for his family....but I'd suspect it may now be a lot less than it was and his movements not as controlled.

The palace pulled his security long ago,

[Lods]

The palace pulled his security long ago,

Yep
When they ceased to be 'working royals.'
They would have private security, but it's hard to believe it would be at a similar level.

[Gointocarlton]

My personal point of view is that there is probably elements of truth in what Harry is saying, but I also believe that folks on the other end would have a completely different perspective in telling their story.

Mrs G2C and I have been arguing this point all along, her saying "there's another side of the story". My view is that this is all very cut and dry for me, I basically believe Harry based on the fact that he is a man of reasonable character, I have no reason to doubt him (what he is being paid for books and interviews is completely irrelevant to me). My view is that Williams account would be the same as Harry's, the thing is you will never hear his (or anyone else's in the Royal Family) account. "Never explain, never complain" (except what they "put out" or plant in the media).

[Lods]

Mrs G2C and I have been arguing this point all along, her saying "there's another side of the story". My view is that this is all very cut and dry for me, I basically believe Harry based on the fact that he is a man of reasonable character, I have no reason to doubt him (what he is being paid for books and interviews is completely irrelevant to me). My view is that Williams account would be the same as Harry's, the thing is you will never hear his (or anyone else's in the Royal Family) account. "Never explain, never complain" (except what they "put out" or plant in the media).

That's fair enough...and you're right we're unlikely to hear from the palace.
That's the problem.
Into the void we put our own impressions of people and their reliability, and as you say you have a bit of respect for the cut of Harry's jib.
My position is that Harry may fully believe everything he says, but he can't be in the heads of the other people involved...and the reasons for their actions.
The emotional aspects also come into play. He may feel slights against him much more keenly. Being ignored by your older brother in the playground is basically par for the course. For the younger brother in a new and unfamiliar situation it could be very distressing.
The truth may be exactly as Harry believes, but it's not beyond possibility that in some of these situations his own emotions and repsonses have exaggerated his feelings of isolation and lack of care by his family...especially since there appears to have been some resistance to his choice of partner.

(Just as an aside...my second Grandson, a couple of years younger than my eldest is also called Harry. Two years difference (4 and 2 years old) and they're already spending most of the day fighting. Harry's sat Owen on his backside a couple of times. Hopefully they sort it out before they reach adulthood) :

[LP]

My view is that Williams account would be the same as Harry's, the thing is you will never hear his (or anyone else's in the Royal Family) account. "Never explain, never complain" (except what they "put out" or plant in the media).

It's a bit hard to see William having Harry's back after the way Harry seemed to slander Kate, but of course what we read might not be true and only those on the inside will know!

Publicly I can't recall Kate ever putting a foot wrong, she might be the only modern equivalent of Old Liz! Who knows what goes on privately, but then again that is private isn't it and that is perhaps the whole point, at least until it seemingly sold a book or two!

[Thryleon]

Never go against the family eh?

With all due respect to all parties mentioned on this topic.  Irrespective of how bad he feels he has been treated he is not special, this is the life of a Royal.

He has abdicated, and if something unsavoury were to happy by pure happenstance, and he ended up King he would be the first one to sit on the throne and perpetuate the cycle.

This is all ducks and drakes IMHO.  If he was the heir apparent like his brother a lot of what is being mentioned here wouldnt be a factor.

Thats my two cents.  make of them what you will.  I abhor people who like to throw stones from the glass house.  Its no coincidence that as soon as William and Kate had a boy Harry was ostracised.  The future of the family is secure these unsavoury types can go.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Never go against the family eh?

With all due respect to all parties mentioned on this topic.  Irrespective of how bad he feels he has been treated he is not special, this is the life of a Royal.

He has abdicated, and if something unsavoury were to happy by pure happenstance, and he ended up King he would be the first one to sit on the throne and perpetuate the cycle.

This is all ducks and drakes IMHO.  If he was the heir apparent like his brother a lot of what is being mentioned here wouldnt be a factor.

Thats my two cents.  make of them what you will.  I abhor people who like to throw stones from the glass house.  Its no coincidence that as soon as William and Kate had a boy Harry was ostracised.  The future of the family is secure these unsavoury types can go.

They can all go as far as I am concerned, The Royal Family survives as a business only and there is nothing Royal or dignified about it as a family at all. Harry and Meghan are expected to earn around 1 Billion a year when they eventually lend their brand name to clothing and other fashion accessories etc so enough of the poor little prince routine please.
Some of the Royals business interests make amusing reading and they do like variety..eg
Willy now Prince of Wales inherited/owns Dartmoor Prison(where his uncle Andy should be holidaying) as well as the Oval cricket ground and my favourite... a bed-and-breakfast in Transylvania which I think they call a health retreat, dread to think what has gone on there over the journey. Of course its all under the guise of Charitable income from the earnings but Id doubt very much every last pound and penny finds its way back to the poor and needy folk in the old Blighty.
Of course Willy's wife and loyal Royal Catherine was busy spending her share on $335,247 worth of designer threads last year.....the number of Royal engagements was the same as in previous years just her taste got a bit more expensive I guess and then there is the younger Meghan to compete with.
Its time to wash away the Royal family and give all their wealth and assets back to the people and consign the Royal years to history. How good it would it be to switch on the TV and see no Royal news flooding the news channels, has the Ukraine War finished yet?...dont know but I can tell you that Harry and Meghans tomatoes in their vegetable garden are ripe for picking and they have a very friendly black Labrador on their 14 billion dollar estate.

[Lods]

On a related note...
Harry's home town of Monticeto got hit by a mudslide...or the threat of one.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64229528

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmq4WIjQxp0

[Baggers]

They can all go as far as I am concerned, The Royal Family survives as a business only and there is nothing Royal or dignified about it as a family at all. Harry and Meghan are expected to earn around 1 Billion a year when they eventually lend their brand name to clothing and other fashion accessories etc so enough of the poor little prince routine please.
Some of the Royals business interests make amusing reading and they do like variety..eg
Willy now Prince of Wales inherited/owns Dartmoor Prison(where his uncle Andy should be holidaying) as well as the Oval cricket ground and my favourite... a bed-and-breakfast in Transylvania which I think they call a health retreat, dread to think what has gone on there over the journey. Of course its all under the guise of Charitable income from the earnings but Id doubt very much every last pound and penny finds its way back to the poor and needy folk in the old Blighty.
Of course Willy's wife and loyal Royal Catherine was busy spending her share on $335,247 worth of designer threads last year.....the number of Royal engagements was the same as in previous years just her taste got a bit more expensive I guess and then there is the younger Meghan to compete with.
Its time to wash away the Royal family and give all their wealth and assets back to the people and consign the Royal years to history. How good it would it be to switch on the TV and see no Royal news flooding the news channels, has the Ukraine War finished yet?...dont know but I can tell you that Harry and Meghans tomatoes in their vegetable garden are ripe for picking and they have a very friendly black Labrador on their 14 billion dollar estate.

Yep, and I wonder how William and his family would experience life without having to tow the company line? Liberated, I suspect.

[LP]

Yep, and I wonder how William and his family would experience life without having to tow the company line? Liberated, I suspect.

While I do not envy them as they have a lot of public demand, living on and building immense private wealth off the back of the UK Taxpayer can't be too tough!