Russian Ukraine War

[mateinone]

Pride is a deadly sin.

Pride in ones country is something that can be had without forcing it upon others with the introduction of a flag. This is where the issue is.

Support your player, but just like the US and Old Glory, shoving your national flag in peoples faces constantly will lead to issues and it all stems back to pride.

Read the room at least.

So then all flags of all nations should be banned from tennis events around the world?
Of course there are other ways to support your country than raising a flag, but sport is parochial in nature.

This doesn't address whether or not the Russian flag itself should be banned.

I don't have an issue if all flags are banned, I don't even have an issue if they do choose to ban a specific flag and the Russian one at the present time has a cause to be banned because of the angst it can create for certain individuals seeing it waved.

Personally I think all flags of all nature are a bit obnoxious (including the Carlton ones at our games) because when waved about they hinder the views of others.. but people in Australia generally have a right to wave flags at sporting events.


Perhaps Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi
Should be banned as well if we are considering obnoxious ways of supporting individuals in events that are not nationality based.

[kruddler]

So then all flags of all nations should be banned from tennis events around the world?
Of course there are other ways to support your country than raising a flag, but sport is parochial in nature.

This doesn't address whether or not the Russian flag itself should be banned.

I don't have an issue if all flags are banned, I don't even have an issue if they do choose to ban a specific flag and the Russian one at the present time has a cause to be banned because of the angst it can create for certain individuals seeing it waved.

Personally I think all flags of all nature are a bit obnoxious (including the Carlton ones at our games) because when waved about they hinder the views of others.. but people in Australia generally have a right to wave flags at sporting events.


Perhaps Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi
Should be banned as well if we are considering obnoxious ways of supporting individuals in events that are not nationality based.

I've got no problems with banning them all, yes.

Yes it can be good to see your own flag waved in victory, or support, but it also highlights a divide. "THAT person is different."
Without descending into another racism debate, we need to stop highlighting differences and realise we are all humans.

[Mav]

Perhaps Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi
Should be banned as well if we are considering obnoxious ways of supporting individuals in events that are not nationality based.

? ? make it so Number One!

[DJC]

So then all flags of all nations should be banned from tennis events around the world?
Of course there are other ways to support your country than raising a flag, but sport is parochial in nature.

This doesn't address whether or not the Russian flag itself should be banned.

I don't have an issue if all flags are banned, I don't even have an issue if they do choose to ban a specific flag and the Russian one at the present time has a cause to be banned because of the angst it can create for certain individuals seeing it waved.

Personally I think all flags of all nature are a bit obnoxious (including the Carlton ones at our games) because when waved about they hinder the views of others.. but people in Australia generally have a right to wave flags at sporting events.


Perhaps Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi
Should be banned as well if we are considering obnoxious ways of supporting individuals in events that are not nationality based.

Yes to most of that MIO.

The Australian Open has been used in the past by some folk to promote particular nationalistic, ethnic, religious, political, and/or cultural statements and enmities.  That should be discouraged and it takes banning national flags to do so, well and good.

Other tennis competitions, as I mentioned previously, are national team competitions and I think it's fair enough to allow flags or other symbols at those event, provided that they won't cause offense/distress.

"Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi" should definitely be banned at all events.  Surely we can come up with something better :

[Macca37]

Yes to most of that MIO.

The Australian Open has been used in the past by some folk to promote particular nationalistic, ethnic, religious, political, and/or cultural statements and enmities.  That should be discouraged and it takes banning national flags to do so, well and good.

Other tennis competitions, as I mentioned previously, are national team competitions and I think it's fair enough to allow flags or other symbols at those event, provided that they won't cause offense/distress.

"Aussie Aussie Aussie ... Oi Oi Oi" should definitely be banned at all events.  Surely we can come up with something better :

I take your point about allowing flags at national team competitions, and the Olympic Games is one example

Flag waving in support of individuals has caused problems for the AO in the past, and I recall some years ago trouble between supporters of individual Croatian and Serbian  players spilling out of the stadium into surrounding areas.

As for "Aussie Aussie Aussie...Oi Oi Oi" don't get me started.  It seems to me that the limited intelligence of the person who coined the saying caused him to run out of ideas after the third "Aussie" .

  I wince every time I hear it.  We present to the world as a nation of bogans.







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[northernblue]

its unaustralian to NOT be a bogan...

[Macca37]

Sad but true.

[Lods]

We're in a bit of a lull at the moment.
There's little movement in the front lines, a gain here, a loss  there.
Both sides are hibernating and people are are going about their business with just an occasional thought about the conflict.

But both sides are building...It's going to erupt again big time in the near future.
Dangerous times ahead.

[DJC]

We're in a bit of a lull at the moment.
There's little movement in the front lines, a gain here, a loss  there.
Both sides are hibernating and people are are going about their business with just an occasional thought about the conflict.

But both sides are building...It's going to erupt again big time in the near future.
Dangerous times ahead.

Unless the provision of state of the art MBTs gives Ukraine too great an advantage and Russia backs down.

Without going into too much detail, Soviet/Russian tanks used by both sides are line of sight.  The Leopards, Challengers and Abrams are better armoured and have “over the horizon” offensive ability and can destroy enemy armour that’s out of sight.

In the Iraq war, a Challenger 1 destroyed a T-72 with one round at a distance of 4,700m.  The Challenger 2, as gifted to Ukraine, is more lethal than its predecessor.

There is a report of a Ukrainian T-64BV destroying a Russian tank at a range of 10,600m but that was with 20 rounds of indirect fire.

[madbluboy]

Yes to most of that MIO.

The Australian Open has been used in the past by some folk to promote particular nationalistic, ethnic, religious, political, and/or cultural statements and enmities.  That should be discouraged and it takes banning national flags to do so, well and good.

Would that include the Aboriginal flag?