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(11-15-2022, 08:55 PM)BluePhantom date Wrote:They've already taken away the goal umpiring decisions. Yep, and it's an horrendously slow review process, the game is becoming more like Gridiron by the day, soon we'll have 30s of play and 5min of review.
They are about to add a fourth field umpire in an attempt to eliminate variability and improve marginal decisions, but the problem is that the more field umpires they have the more versions of events they see, it won't help it'll make things worse.
They should kybosh the goal review process and add a second goal umpire to each goal line, this can have a real and very tangible impact on results without slowing the game down at all!
The benefits of extra goal umpires flow onto the boundary line umpires as well, when you have two goal umpires you can have the nearside goal umpire sharing in more of those FP decisions and still get reliable score adjudications.
Finally, removing the goal review removes the score review beggars, it's becoming a blight on the game, legions of players crying foul begging for a goal review because they got a pooftenth of a follicle on the fast moving pill. Even worse, some of the less forthright types have started flicking their fingers randomly when trying to make contact, just to sway or confuse the score reviewer. It won't be long before the over-coaches have this as part of the training drill!
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(11-15-2022, 08:46 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I'm a traditionalist and as much as in the past I have questioned umpires voting on it, it should remain as is. I think that one bad egg shouldn't taint the integrity of 99.9% of the umpiring fraternity. Make an example of him which sends a clear message to the rest and everything will be fine.
My thoughts too!
The integrity of the Brownlow and its voting is not under question. What is under question is spot betting in general and betting on the Brownlow in particular. Ban spot betting and betting on the Brownlow and the problem goes away.
Imagine the potential for corruption if former footballers and media folk gave the votes ?
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The Brownlow voting system is a bit like democracy. Democracy is the worst form of Government except any other. The Umpires voting at the end of each game and deciding who is the fairest and best is the worst way of making that decision except for any other.
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(11-19-2022, 11:57 AM)Blue Moon date Wrote:The Brownlow voting system is a bit like democracy. Democracy is the worst form of Government except any other. The Umpires voting at the end of each game and deciding who is the fairest and best is the worst way of making that decision except for any other. The problem with the debating method is displayed in what happened to Greg Williams, one dominant bad egg with a grudge cost him a Brownlow medal, it's like having a single corrupt juror when you need a unanimous decision. In effect he stood over the other umpires and swayed their votes, some call it bullying!
The AFL should require the umpires to vote anonymously and independently, then calculate the 3-2-1 from the anonymous votes!
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(11-20-2022, 04:53 AM)LP link Wrote:The AFL should require the umpires to vote anonymously and independently, then calculate the 3-2-1 from the anonymous votes!
Probably an improvement
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(11-20-2022, 04:53 AM)LP link Wrote:The problem with the debating method is displayed in what happened to Greg Williams, one dominant bad egg with a grudge cost him a Brownlow medal, it's like having a single corrupt juror when you need a unanimous decision. In effect he stood over the other umpires and swayed their votes, some call it bullying!
The AFL should require the umpires to vote anonymously and independently, then calculate the 3-2-1 from the anonymous votes!
And you could end up with four players tied on four votes.
The voting system isn't broken and, as Blue Moon put it, it's the worst system apart from any other. Leave it be.
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(11-20-2022, 09:24 AM)DJC date Wrote:And you could end up with four players tied on four votes.
The voting system isn't broken and, as Blue Moon put it, it's the worst system apart from any other. Leave it be. It's broken if it's susceptible to corruption or influence, when we hold political elections we vote in booths that preserve our privacy for many reasons.
The recent events would be impossible to occur if no single umpire knew all the votes of a game.
You can avoid tied votes by having the right design around how they are cast and then how they are counted, all votes do not have to be equal, and you can still have the 3-2-1 system on Brownlow night not matter how many individual votes are cast.
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