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(11-15-2022, 12:28 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:The only Carlton game he umpired was our loss to Fremantle. Of course Cripps got 3 votes.
And Cripps was BoG as his 10 AFLCA votes confirms.
Pell was one of three umpires conferring to decide the votes. I don't know how forceful/persuasive he is but I suspect that AFL umpires would be hard to sway. I guess that awarding votes to an unexpected player may increase the odds of a spot bet, but I can't see it being the key to the business model.
Spot betting seems to be more open to corruption than betting on the result of a contest and the remedy would seem to be in the hands of the gambling industry.
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(11-14-2022, 09:39 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:The umpire at the centre of the betting scandal has been named as Michael Pell
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/11/14/r...ing-named/
Any relation?
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(11-15-2022, 01:02 AM)DJC link Wrote:And Cripps was BoG as his 10 AFLCA votes confirms.
Pell was one of three umpires conferring to decide the votes. I don't know how forceful/persuasive he is but I suspect that AFL umpires would be hard to sway. I guess that awarding votes to an unexpected player may increase the odds of a spot bet, but I can't see it being the key to the business model.
Spot betting seems to be more open to corruption than betting on the result of a contest and the remedy would seem to be in the hands of the gambling industry.
Tiger fan at work reckons this dude was running the ARC in their finals loss to Brisbane.
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11-15-2022, 02:14 AM
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We can’t assume Pell is corrupt. If he did leak his votes, then that would be a sackable offence and his umpiring career would probably be over. But that doesn’t mean he was party to the bets. Goldsack told his mother that he was going to start the GF as a forward and she went out and placed a successful bet on him kicking the first goal. But he may well have had nothing to do with the bet. Indeed, he may have told her she couldn’t use the info to bet or else he’d be in trouble. It’s possible some malevolent friends may have lured Pell into revealing his votes on the basis that they wouldn’t use or pass on the info. If that is the case, he was stupid and irresponsible but not corrupt.
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Did you piss yourself laughing when you read that the media want the Brownlow voting taken off the umpires, I presume for themselves?
We can rename it the Flubbo / whAteley / bumbeRT / jTurd / wEapon / Dank memorial medal!  AKA, the FARTTED!
Imagine those dirty rotten umpires retaining control of the most sacred badged in football, far better off for it to be under the guidance of a Handbagger / CheatsFC duality! ;D
Can you imagine BT, McGuire, Jab Snr, Darcy, Lyon, Cornes and Derwayne voting?
As a little reminder I've got the name of a big media vote winner, Robbert Klomp!
Maybe the media should create a new award, I think Caro has proposed the Golden Chopsticks, but it was a bit of a prickly debate, some claimed they'd rather a stab in the eye than an award from those nuffers!
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The voting is subjective enough as it is. What criteria gets you 3 votes? Some games its metres gained, some games its clearances, some games its possessions, goals kicked, tackles, score involvements, marks or a combination of them all.
Thing is, in any given game you could make a case for multiple players from both sides to get a vote.
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(11-15-2022, 01:22 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Any relation? Maybe the Vatican can give him sanctuary and look after his legals too....
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(11-15-2022, 01:50 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Tiger fan at work reckons this dude was running the ARC in their finals loss to Brisbane. Tiger fans would say that.
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I'm a traditionalist and as much as in the past I have questioned umpires voting on it, it should remain as is. I think that one bad egg shouldn't taint the integrity of 99.9% of the umpiring fraternity. Make an example of him which sends a clear message to the rest and everything will be fine.
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So... they take the voting away from the umpires who have been doing it for 100 odd years and give it to experts?
Are these the so called experts who can never get the mark or goal of the year right?
Or the experts that pick questionable All Australian teams (and Captains)
FFS leave our game alone.
They've already taken away the goal umpiring decisions.
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